{"id":29,"date":"2008-10-16T10:04:32","date_gmt":"2008-10-16T10:04:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/textmessages\/2008\/10\/while-we-wait-for-culture-maki.html"},"modified":"2008-10-16T10:04:32","modified_gmt":"2008-10-16T10:04:32","slug":"while-we-wait-for-culture-maki","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/textmessages\/2008\/10\/while-we-wait-for-culture-maki.html","title":{"rendered":"While We Wait for &#8216;Culture Making&#8217;&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Coming soon in this space: an interview with Andy Crouch on his invaluable new book, <span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.culture-making.com\/about\/book\/\">Culture Making<\/a>. <\/span>Andy&#8217;s book is one of the wisest books on the subject of culture I&#8217;ve ever read, and it&#8217;s the single best work on the Christian cultural mandate that I&#8217;ve ever read.\u00a0<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>To whet your appetite: James Smith speaks to the key themes in Andy&#8217;s book in his review of D.A. Carson&#8217;s <span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\">Christ and Culture Revisited<\/span>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/ct\/2008\/octoberweb-only\/142-21.0.html?start=1\">which appears in the current issue of <\/a><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/ct\/2008\/octoberweb-only\/142-21.0.html?start=1\">Christianity Today<\/a><\/span>. Smith&#8217;s main point, as I take it: If we&#8217;re going to talk about culture, we must talk about our responsibility to make culture. A couple excerpts:<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<blockquote class=\"webkit-indent-blockquote\"><p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\">This desire to root Christian thinking about culture in the grand narrative of Scripture is laudable. Unfortunately, I think it&#8217;s also where the book falters because Carson&#8217;s summary of the biblical story is, frankly, incomplete. For instance, while he emphasizes the doctrine of creation and that &#8220;God made everything,&#8221; he nowhere discusses what has commonly been described as the &#8220;cultural mandate&#8221; (Gen 1:27-29) &#8212; humanity&#8217;s creational call to cultivate the possibilities latent within creation through ongoing cultural work. This task of human making is precisely how we image God in the world (as &#8220;sub-creators&#8221; in Tolkien&#8217;s words). Instead, Carson tends to treat culture as a given and fails to offer a theology of culture that shows how the work of human making is rooted in creation itself. For Carson, culture always seems to be a noun (something &#8220;out there&#8221;) rather than a verb (something we do).<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"webkit-indent-blockquote\"><p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\"><br \/><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"webkit-indent-blockquote\"><p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\">&#8230;For Carson the current relations between Christ and culture &#8220;have no final status; they must be evaluated in the light of eternity.&#8221; One gets the sense that Carson&#8217;s eternity lacks cultural institutions &#8211;an eternity without commerce or politics, art, or athletics. (While he occasionally tips his hat to other areas, Carson&#8217;s analysis pretty much reduces culture to politics.) All that will remain is &#8220;the church&#8221; (though it&#8217;s not clear just what the church will be doing since, according to Carson, &#8220;the church lives and dies by the Great Commission&#8221;). Such a flattened vision of our redeemed future is the correlate of a stunted understanding of creation.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"webkit-indent-blockquote\"><p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\"><br \/><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>(Hat tip: Jeff Culver, whose website I can&#8217;t stinkin&#8217; find at the moment)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Coming soon in this space: an interview with Andy Crouch on his invaluable new book, Culture Making. Andy&#8217;s book is one of the wisest books on the subject of culture I&#8217;ve ever read, and it&#8217;s the single best work on the Christian cultural mandate that I&#8217;ve ever read.\u00a0 To whet your appetite: James Smith speaks&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":32,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-29","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-church","category-culture"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>While We Wait for &#039;Culture Making&#039;... - Text Messages<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/textmessages\/2008\/10\/while-we-wait-for-culture-maki.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"While We Wait for &#039;Culture Making&#039;... - Text Messages\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Coming soon in this space: an interview with Andy Crouch on his invaluable new book, Culture Making. 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