{"id":801,"date":"2009-04-07T14:13:21","date_gmt":"2009-04-07T14:13:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/stevenwaldman\/2009\/04\/what-the-turks-can-learn-from.html"},"modified":"2009-04-07T14:13:21","modified_gmt":"2009-04-07T14:13:21","slug":"what-the-turks-can-learn-from","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/stevenwaldman\/2009\/04\/what-the-turks-can-learn-from.html","title":{"rendered":"What Muslim Nations Can Learn from America&#8217;s Founders"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It was electrifying to hear an American President declare before the Turkish Parliament, &#8220;The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country &#8212; I know, because I am one of them.&#8221; A truly extraordinary and important moment.<br \/>\nBut I have one quibble about Obama&#8217;s message in Turkey. In trying to walk the tightrope between the &#8220;religious&#8221; parties in Turkey (which now hold power) and the &#8220;secular&#8221; parties, he missed a great opportunity.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\nIn the Islamic world (and among conservative Christians in the U.S.) there is a common misconception that you need to choose between having a secular government or a religious society. Obama rubbed up against this tension when he said that &#8220;freedom of religion and expression leads to a strong and vibrant civil society that only strengthens the state.&#8221;<br \/>\nTrue, but to me that emphasizes the wrong lesson from American history. Our experience has proven that a secular state leads to religious vibrancy.<br \/>\nIn his old age, President James Madison was asked to reflect on whether separation of church and state (and religious freedom) had succeeded. Naturally, he said, yes &#8212; but what was interesting were the reasons he gave. You can tell it succeed, he explained, because America seemed more religious.<br \/>\n&#8220;No doubt exists that there is much more of religion among us now than there ever was before the change,&#8221; he wrote. &#8220;This proves rather more than that the law is not necessary to the support of religion.&#8221; What&#8217;s more, the quality of the clergy had improved. &#8220;Religious instruction is now diffused throughout the Community by preachers of every sect with almost equal zeal&#8230;. The qualifications of the Preachers, too among the new sects where there was the greatest deficiency, are understood to be improving.&#8221; On the question of whether clergy could survive without state support, the jury was in: &#8220;the number, the industry, and the morality of the Priesthood and the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the Church from the State.&#8221;<br \/>\nObviously this vision &#8212; that religious freedom leads to religious vibrancy &#8212; was not always apparent in America. Though we&#8217;re accustomed to thinking of &#8220;theocracy&#8221; as the dangerous form of government invented by radical Muslims, it was one of Massachusetts&#8217; early Puritan leaders, John Cotton, who declared, &#8220;Theocracy, or to make the Lord God our governor, is the best form of government in a Christian commonwealth.&#8221;<br \/>\nThe founders of the Constitutional era rejected Cotton&#8217;s formula, and went instead with a unique combination &#8212; a secular government designed to encourage a religious society. In all likelihood, a separation of Mosque and State would lead to a more vibrant, healthier Islam.<br \/>\nPrinted first on <a href=\"http:\/\/online.wsj.com\/article\/SB123912477211997549.html\">The Wall Street Journal Online<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It was electrifying to hear an American President declare before the Turkish Parliament, &#8220;The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. 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