{"id":566,"date":"2008-12-12T16:41:31","date_gmt":"2008-12-12T16:41:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/stevenwaldman\/2008\/12\/rick-warrens-dark-night-of-the.html"},"modified":"2008-12-12T16:41:31","modified_gmt":"2008-12-12T16:41:31","slug":"rick-warrens-dark-night-of-the","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/stevenwaldman\/2008\/12\/rick-warrens-dark-night-of-the.html","title":{"rendered":"Rick Warren&#8217;s Dark Night of the Soul"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote><\/blockquote>\n<p>Rick Warren is keeping a list, and checking it often.  He&#8217;ll have to memorize it because he can&#8217;t count on having his Blackberry when he needs this list most.  This is Rick Warren&#8217;s list of questions for God.<br \/>\nIn the course of a fascinating conversation last week with Beliefnet and our partner The Wall Street Journal &#8212; click <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/News\/2008\/12\/Rick-Warren-Videos.aspx\">here for video <\/a><\/strong>of the full interview and <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/News\/2008\/12\/Rick-Warren-Transcript.aspx\">here for a transcript<\/strong> <\/a>&#8212; Warren was stunningly candid about having doubts, even &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-Dark-Night-Of-The-Soul.aspx\">dark nights of the soul.&#8221; <\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Oh absolutely. All the time.&#8221;<br \/>\n&#8220;What do you mean &#8216;all the time&#8217;?&#8221;<br \/>\n&#8220;I&#8217;ve never doubted God. But I&#8217;ve doubted why God does certain things&#8230;.&#8221;.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>There are parts of the Bible, for instance, that he doesn&#8217;t get &#8212; &#8220;slaughters in the Bible and rules that don&#8217;t seem to make sense and things that just don&#8217;t seem to me, to be logical.&#8221;<br \/>\n&#8220;And I still have doubts, I mean, I read the Bible and go &#8216;whoa, why did God say that?'&#8221;<br \/>\nHe concludes that these passages are mystifying because he just doesn&#8217;t have &#8220;the brain capacity&#8221; to understand God &#8212; but he is eager to ask Him a few questions at the appropriate moment.<br \/>\nOne is why He gave humans the ability to have babies before they&#8217;re ready to raise them.  He also wants to know how prayer works &#8211; why God answers some prayers right away and not others. &#8220;The truth is, that the vast majority of our prayers, we don&#8217;t see those kinds of miracles.&#8221;<br \/>\nBut his number one question, he says, is about suffering:  &#8220;I know why there&#8217;s evil in the world, I don&#8217;t understand why so much suffering happens to so many innocent people.&#8221;<br \/>\nI don&#8217;t want to give the impression Warren has lost faith.  Quite the opposite.  Most of our talk was devoted to his absolute conviction that the real &#8220;purpose of Christmas&#8221; is understanding, treasuring and opening the gift of grace &#8211; the idea that Jesus said In effect, &#8220;I&#8217;ve paid for everything you need to get into Heaven. I&#8217;ve paid your ticket&#8230;.. That&#8217;s the gift.&#8221;  (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-What-Is-The-Purpose-Of-Christmas.aspx\">Watch him talk about &#8220;the gift&#8221;)<\/a><br \/>\nHe offered an inspiring message about the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-What-Is-The-Purpose-Of-Christmas.aspx\">purpose of Christmas<\/a> (the topic of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Purpose-Christmas-Rick-Warren\/dp\/1416559000\/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1229112546&amp;sr=8-1\">his new book<\/a>) and some special devotionals for Beliefnet viewers.<br \/>\nHe also dove headlong into some of the most controversial culture war issues, in ways likely to surprise and perhaps enrage some on the left and right.<br \/>\n<u>Most Likely to Infuriate Liberals<\/u>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Gay marriage is morally equivalent to allowing brothers and sisters to marry.  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-On-Gay-Marriage-And-Divorce.aspx\"><strong>Watch.<\/strong> <\/a><\/li>\n<li>He opposes torture but didn&#8217;t try to convince President Bush to change course because &#8220;I never had the opportunity.&#8221;  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-Bush-Administrations-Torture-Policy.aspx\"><strong>Watch<\/strong><\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>A possibly veiled slap at Islam: &#8220;He could have made us all puppets. &#8230; He could have put us on strings and we&#8217;d pray five times a day and we&#8217;d have no choice.&#8221;  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-Top-Question-For-God.aspx#\"><strong>Watch<\/strong><\/a>. <\/li>\n<li>&#8220;Abortion reduction&#8221; efforts are  mostly a &#8220;charade.&#8221;  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-The--Abortion-Reduction-Charade.aspx\"><strong>Watch<\/strong><\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>His historical argument that &#8220;social gospel&#8221; Protestantism was &#8220;just Marxism in Christian clothing&#8221; and that &#8220;the mainline [Protestants] died.&#8221;  <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-Awakening-Evangelicals-To-Poverty.aspx\">Watch<\/a>.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><u>Most Likely to Infuriate Conservatives:<\/u><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>He supports partnership rights for gays including insurance and visitation benefits. This appears to be a similar position to that which just prompted the resignation of a top official of the National Association of Evangelicals.  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-On-Gay-Marriage-And-Divorce.aspx\"><strong>Watch<\/strong>.<\/a><\/li>\n<li>His declaration that it&#8217;s a &#8220;no brainer&#8221; that divorce is a bigger threat to the American family than gay marriage, and that Christian leaders focus on gay marriage instead because &#8220;we always love to talk about other people&#8217;s sins.&#8221;  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-On-Gay-Marriage-And-Divorce.aspx\"><strong>Watch<\/strong>.<\/a> <\/li>\n<li>Religious conservatives have misled people into thinking Christ&#8217;s message was primarily about conservative politics and that politics is the primary way to change culture.  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-On-Negative-Views-Of-Christianity.aspx\"><strong>Watch<\/strong>.<\/a> <\/li>\n<li>The Bush administration seems to have engaged in torture, which he condemned.  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-Bush-Administrations-Torture-Policy.aspx\"><strong>Watch<\/strong>.<\/a> <\/li>\n<li>While condemning abortion as a Holocaust and abortion reduction as a &#8220;charade&#8221; he nonetheless said he would support those efforts, which he equated to Schindler&#8217;s list &#8212; a way of reducing the harm of an overall evil.  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-The--Abortion-Reduction-Charade.aspx\"><strong>Watch<\/strong><\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><u>Most Likely to Titillate Theologians:<\/u><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>While your behavior doesn&#8217;t determine whether you get into heaven, it does determine what you do once you&#8217;re there.  <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-Whats-It-Like-In-Heaven.aspx\">Watch<\/a><\/strong>.<\/li>\n<li>His statement that &#8220;I really don&#8217;t know&#8221; whether people who don&#8217;t know about Christ will be blocked entry into heaven.  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-Confusing-Gift-Of-Grace.aspx\"><strong>Watch<\/strong><\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;God&#8217;s will is not done most of the time on earth. When people go, &#8216;oh, that hurricane must have been God&#8217;s will&#8217; &#8211; baloney!&#8221;  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-Top-Question-For-God.aspx\"><strong>Watch<\/strong>.<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><u>Most Likely to Inspire and Challenge:<\/u><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The story of his daughter in law&#8217;s brain tumor and its surprising lesson the family learned. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/2008\/12\/Rick-Warren-Interview-Our-Problems-And-Gods-Plan.aspx\"><strong>Watch<\/strong><\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>His relentless commitment to awakening Americans to African poverty.  <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-Awakening-Evangelicals-To-Poverty.aspx\">Watch<\/a><\/strong>.<\/li>\n<li>His personal Christmas prayer. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/2008\/12\/Rick-Warren-Interview-Christmas-Prayer.aspx\"> <strong>Watch<\/strong><\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>His argument that the economic collapse comes from abandoning Biblical principles of thrift. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-Economic-Hard-Times-Spiritual-Roots.aspx\"><strong>Watch<\/strong><\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><u>Moment I&#8217;d Most Like To Follow Up About: <\/u><br \/>\nEveryone will have their favorites. But for me the most interesting moment was after he described the gift of grace, and I then asked:  &#8220;Why if he forgives us for murdering or raping would he not forgive us for not believing in Him?&#8221;  He took his best shot, but I&#8217;m not sure he totally nailed it.  <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Video\/Beliefnet-Interviews\/Rick-Warren\/Rick-Warren-Interview-Confusing-Gift-Of-Grace.aspx\">Watch<\/a><\/strong>.<br \/>\nClick <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Purpose-Christmas-Rick-Warren\/dp\/1416559000\/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1229113211&amp;sr=8-1\">here to buy Rick Warren&#8217;s new book, The Purpose of Christmas<\/a>.<br \/>\nClick <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/News\/2008\/12\/Rick-Warren-Transcript.aspx\">here to read a transcript of the full interview.<\/a><br \/>\nClick <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/News\/2008\/12\/Rick-Warren-Videos.aspx\">here to watch video of the full interview.<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Rick Warren is keeping a list, and checking it often. He&#8217;ll have to memorize it because he can&#8217;t count on having his Blackberry when he needs this list most. This is Rick Warren&#8217;s list of questions for God. In the course of a fascinating conversation last week with Beliefnet and our partner The Wall Street&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":49,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-566","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Rick Warren&#039;s Dark Night of the Soul - Steven Waldman<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/stevenwaldman\/2008\/12\/rick-warrens-dark-night-of-the.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Rick Warren&#039;s Dark Night of the Soul - Steven Waldman\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Rick Warren is keeping a list, and checking it often. 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