{"id":107,"date":"2008-08-30T18:39:00","date_gmt":"2008-08-30T18:39:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/progressiverevival\/2008\/08\/notes-from-the-old-empire-by-s.html"},"modified":"2008-08-30T18:39:00","modified_gmt":"2008-08-30T18:39:00","slug":"notes-from-the-old-empire-by-s","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/progressiverevival\/2008\/08\/notes-from-the-old-empire-by-s.html","title":{"rendered":"Notes from the Old Empire (by Sara Miles)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:normal\">\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0&#8220;Of course,&#8221; Patricia told me,<br \/>\nleaning in close, &#8220;of course English people don&#8217;t even like the Scottish.&#8221;<br \/>\nPatricia, the funny, perceptive, activist wife of a progressive Church of<br \/>\nEngland vicar, made a face. &#8221; I have no idea if you&#8217;ll be able to elect Obama,&#8221; she said.<br \/>\n&#8220;We&#8217;d never vote for a Scot for high office;<span>\u00a0\u00a0so\u00a0<\/span>I&#8217;m not convinced white people here would ever elect a<br \/>\nblack man.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:normal\">\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0In talking about religion, race,<br \/>\nand politics this week with British voters of different ages and backgrounds,<br \/>\nI&#8217;ve come to believe again, albeit with some light rolling of the eyes, in<br \/>\nAmerican exceptionalism. But I&#8217;ve also come to see the ways in which the image<br \/>\nof America&#8211;its faith and its politics&#8212;carries meaning for English (and, to<br \/>\nsome extent) European Christians.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:normal\">\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0For the last week, I&#8217;ve been in<br \/>\nEngland to work with &#8220;emerging&#8221; postmodern Christians of all denominations.<br \/>\nThis is, of course, a country with a state religion, ubiquitous churches and<br \/>\nmosques, and a powerful evangelical movement; but the spectacle of religion as<br \/>\npart of electoral politics is almost entirely absent here. Paul and his wife<br \/>\nJeni,<span>\u00a0 <\/span>a young Christian couple who work in<br \/>\nmanagement, were appalled by the way American candidates proclaim their faith.<br \/>\nJeni describes herself as English -&#8220;and I love it! I like the queen, I&#8217;m<br \/>\npassionate about London&#8211;&#8221; and she grew up as a preacher&#8217;s daughter. She<br \/>\nremembered, approvingly, when a reporter badgered Tony Blair with questions<br \/>\nabout his church&#8217;s minister. &#8220;Tony Blair just said, &#8216;We don&#8217;t do religion&#8217; and<br \/>\nthat was that,&#8221; she said. &#8220;As it should be.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:normal\">\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0Such discretion means<span>\u00a0 <\/span>the set-piece issues of abortion and<br \/>\ngay marriage that have become staples for the U.S. Christian Right in election<br \/>\nyears fail to arouse much passion among voters in Britain. &#8220;Abortion just isn&#8217;t<br \/>\na political issue here,&#8221; said Dave, a self-described socialist serving as the<br \/>\nvicar in a London parish. Dave, an influential preacher who left the<br \/>\nevangelical movement to become an Anglican priest, remembers &#8220;a few&#8221; attempts<br \/>\nto stir up outrage over abortions. &#8220;But really,&#8221; he said, &#8220;that was all settled<br \/>\nin 1969.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:normal\">\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0What remains unsettled in England<br \/>\nand in Europe are issues of race and immigration. As in America, different<br \/>\ngenerations understand race in very different ways. For Jeni, the young white<br \/>\nEnglish woman who grew up dating a black man, religion&#8211;in her case, the Nation<br \/>\nof Islam followers who taunted her&#8211;is often <span>\u00a0<\/span>a force for racial separation. For<span>\u00a0 <\/span>Fuzz, a Australian church consultant in his 50s who works<br \/>\nacross the Middle East and Asia, Christianity is a force that&#8217;s capable of<br \/>\ntranscending racial and ethnic boundaries. But all believe that American racism<br \/>\nis, as Dave the vicar put it, &#8220;extreme,&#8221; and that levels of racial conflict in<br \/>\nAmerica are higher than in Britain or its former colonies. Strikingly, they<br \/>\ntend to read American movements for racial justice&#8211;both black and Latino&#8211;as<br \/>\nessentially religious movements led by Christian preachers. And they tend to<br \/>\nbelieve that today&#8217;s equivalent political power lies not in Christian workers<br \/>\nfor racial justice, but in the fire-breathing, uncompromising, social<br \/>\nconservatism of<span>\u00a0 <\/span>the mighty army of<br \/>\nright-wing Christian voters.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:normal\">\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0It&#8217;s testament to the political<br \/>\ngenius of the Christian Right that it&#8217;s exported abroad -and confirmed in the<br \/>\nminds of American voters&#8211;this image. None of the British voters I spoke with<br \/>\nhad any idea of the actual percentage of the U.S. electorate who self-identify<br \/>\nas evangelical -just 8% in 2007, according to evangelical pollster George<br \/>\nBarna. None of them knew that Barna also showed, back in 2004, that a third of<br \/>\nall born-again voters thought abortion was morally acceptable, and about the<br \/>\nsame percentage thought homosexual relationships were morally acceptable.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:normal\">\u00a0\u00a0 But that&#8217;s politics. Spin,<br \/>\nmarketing, money and power. And as lovely as the English disdain for mixing<br \/>\npolitics and religion might seem to me, the reality is that in the absence of<br \/>\nan established church, American churches do constantly compete in the marketplace<br \/>\nfor power. American religion, to the slight horror of our friends in Britain<br \/>\nand beyond, remains right down in the mud of political life, mixed up in<br \/>\ninextricable ways with the common life of citizens. May God have mercy on us<br \/>\nall.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:normal\"><\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0&#8220;Of course,&#8221; Patricia told me, leaning in close, &#8220;of course English people don&#8217;t even like the Scottish.&#8221; Patricia, the funny, perceptive, activist wife of a progressive Church of England vicar, made a face. &#8221; I have no idea if you&#8217;ll be able to elect Obama,&#8221; she said. &#8220;We&#8217;d never vote for a Scot for&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":153,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[25,32,1,18,15,2,9],"tags":[88],"class_list":["post-107","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-abortion","category-christians","category-election-08","category-international-relations","category-jews","category-muslims","category-religion-in-the-public-square","tag-election-international-race"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Notes from the Old Empire (by Sara Miles) - Progressive Revival<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/progressiverevival\/2008\/08\/notes-from-the-old-empire-by-s.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Notes from the Old Empire (by Sara Miles) - Progressive Revival\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0&#8220;Of course,&#8221; 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