{"id":1759,"date":"2009-10-26T17:34:26","date_gmt":"2009-10-26T17:34:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/news\/2009\/10\/vatican-talks-with-traditional.php"},"modified":"2009-10-26T17:34:26","modified_gmt":"2009-10-26T17:34:26","slug":"vatican-talks-with-traditional","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/news\/2009\/10\/vatican-talks-with-traditional","title":{"rendered":"Vatican: Talks with Traditionalists Will Continue"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The Vatican said talks held Monday with a group of breakaway traditionalist Catholics were cordial and will continue over the coming months.<br \/>\nThe Vatican issued a statement at the end of an inaugural meeting between Vatican officials and a delegation from the Society of St. Pius X, which split from Rome following the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council.<br \/>\nPope Benedict XVI has been keen to reconcile with the group &#8211; even though one of their bishops denied the Holocaust &#8211; because of his greater aim of unifying the church and putting a highly conservative stamp on it. Just last week, he took a major step in that direction by making it easier for Anglican traditionalists to convert to Roman Catholicism.<br \/>\nVatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said the meeting marked &#8220;the beginning of a new phase of relations&#8221; and there was a &#8220;sense of trust for the meeting and its prospects&#8221; that hadn&#8217;t existed before.<br \/>\nThe late ultraconservative Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre founded the Swiss-based society in 1969, opposed to Vatican II&#8217;s reforms which included outreach to Jews and other Christians and the celebration of Mass in the vernacular rather than Latin.<br \/>\nIn 1988, the Vatican excommunicated Lefebvre and four of his bishops after he consecrated them without papal consent.<br \/>\nBenedict has worked for two decades to bring the group back into the Vatican&#8217;s fold. In 2007, he relaxed restrictions on celebrating the old Latin Mass, which the traditionalists had demanded. In January, he answered another one of their demands by approving a decree lifting the bishops&#8217; 1988 excommunications.<br \/>\nBut on the same day the Vatican decree was signed, British Bishop Richard Williamson was shown on Swedish state television saying historical evidence &#8220;is hugely against 6 million Jews having been deliberately gassed&#8221; during World War II.<br \/>\nThe outcry was immediate, with both Jews and members of the Catholic hierarchy criticizing the pope&#8217;s rehabilitation of a Holocaust-denier. While condemning Williamson&#8217;s remarks, the Vatican defended its decision, only saying later that it hadn&#8217;t known about his very public views about the Holocaust.<br \/>\nThe society&#8217;s opposition to Vatican II, particularly its teachings on ecumenism and religious freedom, remains at the heart of the dispute with Rome and is the focus of the talks.<br \/>\nThe Vatican statement said the two sides on Monday identified the &#8220;outstanding doctrinal differences&#8221; between them that would be discussed in meetings expected to take place twice a month for several months.<br \/>\nSuch an intense workload &#8220;shows that they want to go ahead with a certain amount of determination,&#8221; Lombardi said.<br \/>\nPrior to the start of talks, the society&#8217;s delegation leader, Bishop Alfonso de Galarreta, had said negotiations may take years.<br \/>\nThe Vatican statement said the work was conducted &#8220;in a cordial, respectful and constructive climate.&#8221;<br \/>\nIt listed a host of issues stemming from Vatican II that are on the table, including the principles of ecumenism and the relationship between Christianity and non-Christian religions.<br \/>\nThere was no immediate comment from the society.<br \/>\nThe Vatican has said the society&#8217;s members must &#8220;fully recognize&#8221; Vatican II as well as the teachings of all the popes who came after it if they want to be fully reintegrated into the Church.<br \/>\nThe society says it is upholding true Catholic tradition by rejecting elements of Vatican II&#8217;s teachings, and says the Church&#8217;s current problems, including a shortage of priests, are a direct result of the 1962-65 meetings.<br \/>\nThe Vatican has set out particular conditions for Williamson to be fully brought back in, saying he must &#8220;absolutely and unequivocally&#8221; distance himself from his Holocaust remarks if he ever wants to be a prelate in the church.<br \/>\nWilliamson has apologized for causing scandal to the pope but hasn&#8217;t publicly repudiated his views.<br \/>\n<em>Associated Press writer Daniela Petroff contributed to this report.<\/em><br \/>\n<em>Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. 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