{"id":557,"date":"2008-10-08T01:01:52","date_gmt":"2008-10-08T01:01:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/markdroberts\/2008\/10\/the-pcusa-and-church-property-part-14.html"},"modified":"2008-10-08T01:01:52","modified_gmt":"2008-10-08T01:01:52","slug":"the-pcusa-and-church-property-part-14","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/2008\/10\/the-pcusa-and-church-property-part-14.html","title":{"rendered":"The PC(USA) and Church Property, Part 15"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"right\">Part 15 of series: <em>The PC(USA) and Church Property<br \/>\n<\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/htmfiles\/resources\/pcusaproperty.htm#oct808\" target=\"_blank\">Permalink for this post<\/a> \/ <a href=\"http:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/htmfiles\/resources\/pcusaproperty.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Permalink for this series<\/a><br \/>\nAs I\u2019ve explained in two recent posts, on Thursday, June 26, 2008, the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approved Resolution 03-21. This resolution provided for the provision of funds from the General Assembly to presbyteries engaged in lawsuits with congregations that have left the PC(USA) and joined the Evangelical Presbyterian Church and have tried to keep their church property. An amendment to the resolution weakened its effectiveness by having all funding for the lawsuits come from special contributions.<br \/>\nNevertheless, the symbolic statement of the Assembly was a strong one. They endorsed and encouraged lawsuits between churches and denominational bodies over church property. If a PC(USA) congregation votes to leave the denomination, it should be aware that its presbytery, with the approval of the General Assembly, will try to keep church property and will be prepared to go to court to ensure this result. Given the fact that the General Assembly didn\u2019t actually provides funds from its budget, its clear that the symbolic statement was the main point. The vote on this resolution was meant to threaten and intimidate any congregations that might consider leaving the PC(USA). The Assembly\u2019s vote said: \u201cIf you leave, we\u2019ll keep your property, and will fight you in court to make sure we keep it. So beware!\u201d<br \/>\nThe next day, Friday, June 27, 2008, the General Assembly considered another resolution having to do with church property and litigation. Resolution 04-28 was co-authored by Robert Austell and Archie Smith. Austell, you may recall, was one of those General Assembly commissioners who spoke against Resolution 03-21. I quoted Austell\u2019s remarks <a href=\"http:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/htmfiles\/resources\/pcusaproperty.htm#sep3008\" target=\"_blank\">a couple of posts ago<\/a>. As you might well imagine, the tone and substance of Austell\u2019s resolution was radically different from that \u201cgo ahead and sue our fellow Presbyterians\u201d resolution that passed on Thursday. Here is the whole text of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pc-biz.org\/Explorer.aspx?id=2137\" target=\"_blank\">Resolution 04-28<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The 218th General Assembly (2008) of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)<br \/>\n1.\u00a0\u00a0 Directs the Stated Clerk to send this resolution to the presbyteries, synods, and sessions, indicating the will of the assembly that presbyteries and synods develop and make available to lower governing bodies and local congregations a process that exercises the responsibility and power \u201cto divide, dismiss, or dissolve churches in consultation with their members\u201d (Book of Order, G-11.0103i) with consistency, pastoral responsibility, accountability, gracious witness, openness, and transparency.<br \/>\n2.\u00a0\u00a0 Believing that trying to exercise this responsibility and power through litigation is deadly to the cause of Christ, impacting the local church, other parts of the Body of Christ and ecumenical relationships, and our witness to Christ in the world around us, [the General Assembly] urges [congregations considering leaving the denomination,] presbyteries[,] and synods to implement a process using the following principles:<br \/>\n\u2022\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Consistency: The local authority delegated to presbyteries is guided and shaped by our shared faith, service, and witness to Jesus Christ.<br \/>\n\u2022\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pastoral Responsibility: The requirement in G-11.0103i to consult with the members of a church seeking dismissal highlights the presbytery\u2019s pastoral responsibility, which must not be submerged beneath other responsibilities.<br \/>\n\u2022\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Accountability: For a governing body, accountability rightly dictates fiduciary and connectional concerns, raising general issues of property (G-8.0000) and specific issues of schism within a congregation (G-8.0600). But, full accountability also requires preeminent concern with \u201ccaring for the flock.\u201d<br \/>\n\u2022\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Gracious Witness: It is our belief that Scripture and the Holy Spirit require a gracious witness from us rather than a harsh legalism.<br \/>\n\u2022\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Openness and Transparency: Early, open communication and transparency about principles and process of dismissal necessarily serve truth, order, and goodness, and work against seeking civil litigation as a solution.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The crucial affirmations in this resolution are those that have to do with litigation between churches. The resolution doesn\u2019t mince words when it affirms that \u201ctrying to exercise this responsibility and power [for congregations leaving the denomination] through litigation is deadly to the cause of Christ.\u201d This is because \u201cScripture and the Holy Spirit require a gracious witness from us rather than a harsh legalism.\u201d So the process when congregations consider leaving should be open so as to \u201cwork against seeking civil litigation as a solution.\u201d<br \/>\nIn the Rationale that accompanied Resolution 04-28, Austell and Smith explain:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>To be direct, if a church goes through the trauma of an internal split, wouldn\u2019t we rather the members go to church anywhere than end up disillusioned and quitting on a local church and presbytery that have been to court in a protracted legal battle? Wouldn\u2019t we rather lose some dirt or brick or even lose face than poison the well of witness in our community? As the resolution states, we believe litigation by Christians against Christians is deadly to the cause of Christ.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Not unlike me, Austell and Smith are hopeful about the potential for churches and presbyteries to deal graciously with the issues associated with a congregation\u2019s departure:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>What do we envision? We call on local church leadership and presbytery leadership to care pastorally for majority and minority groups in a church seeking dismissal. This could result in a final picture, not of two embittered enemies in court, but in mutual blessing and partnership in the midst of the sadness of parting. We envision presbytery leadership and local church leadership working together to bless and make way for a majority group and to take great care to relocate and shepherd a minority group. This could be the last great joint mission effort of two parts of Christ\u2019s body who are focusing on different mission fields.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What happened with Resolution 04-28? Given the fact that only a day earlier the General Assembly had voted to supply funds for lawsuits over church property, even when these lawsuits were between denominational cousins and fellow Presbyterians (PC(USA) and EPC), and given the fact that the \u201csue your fellow Christians\u201d resolution had won with 57% of the vote, you\u2019d rightly expect that the General Assembly would reject Resolution 04-28 by about the same margin. After all, how could Austell and Smith expect an Assembly that had just approved to fund lawsuits among Christians to agree that such litigation is, in fact, \u201cdeadly to the cause of Christ\u201d?<br \/>\nSo what happened? <em>Resolution 04-28 passed, with 76% of commissioners voting affirmatively<\/em> (519 yes; 157 no; 8 abstain). How amazing! This means that around 200 commissioners who voted on Thursday to fund litigation between churches voted on Friday that such litigation was \u201cdeadly to the cause of Christ.\u201d Whoa!<br \/>\nWhat are we to make of this discrepancy? Honestly, I don\u2019t know. Were the 200 who switched sides hopelessly confused? Or were they just patting the New England Presbytery on the head by affirming their resolution but not funding it? Do these commissioners really believe that litigation between churches over church property is \u201cdeadly to the cause of Christ\u201d? Or were they just trying to \u201cmake nice\u201d in an effort to keep the PC(USA) together? Or are they convinced that litigation that is \u201cdeadly to the cause of Christ\u201d is, nevertheless, necessary for the health of the PC(USA)? Or . . . ? I don\u2019t know. You tell me.<br \/>\nThis is part of what makes it so tricky and trying to remain faithful in the PC(USA). If the denomination would simply be clear about what it affirms \u2013 whether we\u2019re talking about homosexuality, church property, the nature of Christ, or whatever \u2013 then we could decide where we stand and what to do about it. But the denomination is endlessly being \u201ctossed to and fro and blown about by every wind of doctrine\u201d (Eph 4:14). One day we vote to fund lawsuits against our fellowship Presbyterians. The next day we vote that such litigation is \u201cdeadly to the cause of Christ.\u201d I wonder how much longer the PC(USA) will continue to affirm and do that which hurts the cause of Christ.<br \/>\nSo is there a way out of the church property crisis? I\u2019ve already made some suggestions in this series. In my next post I\u2019ll sum up what I\u2019ve said before and add a few final thoughts.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Part 15 of series: The PC(USA) and Church Property Permalink for this post \/ Permalink for this series As I\u2019ve explained in two recent posts, on Thursday, June 26, 2008, the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approved Resolution 03-21. 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Before his time at Irvine Pres, Mark served on the staff of the First Presbyterian Church of Hollywood as Associate Pastor of Education. (Thanks to Janel Pahl for taking the photo to the right.) Mark studied at Harvard University, receiving a B.A. in Philosophy, an M.A. in the Study of Religion, and a Ph.D. in New Testament and Christian Origins. He has taught classes in New Testament for Fuller Theological Seminary and San Francisco Theological Seminary. Mark has written several books, including No Holds Barred: Wrestling with God in Prayer (WaterBrook, 2005), Dare to Be True (WaterBrook, 2003), Jesus Revealed (WaterBrook, 2002), After \"I Believe\" (Baker, 2002), and Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther (Word, 1993). His most recent book is Can We Trust the Gospels? Investigating the Reliability of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John (Crossway, 2007). He is currently working on a commentary on Ephesians that will be published by Zondervan in 2014. Mark writes a devotional for The High Calling of Our Daily Work, a website associated with Laity Lodge. His \"Daily Reflections\" can be viewed online or sent as a daily email. If you wish to receive this email, just visit TheHighCalling.org and sign up. Mark serves on the editorial board of Worship Leader magazine, where he publishes articles and reviews, including his regular column \"Lyrical Poetry.\" Additionally, he has published dozens of articles in leading magazines and journals. He often speaks for churches and other Christian groups, and has been interviewed on over seventy-five radio programs nationwide. Mark is married to Linda, who is a Marriage and Family Therapist, a Spiritual Director, and a retreat speaker. They have two children, Nathan and Kara.For Publicity Photos and Bio Statements for Mark, please check here. Mark's Dossier Professional History: Senior Director and Scholar-in Residence, Laity Lodge, October 2007 to present. Senior Pastor Irvine Presbyterian Church, June 1991 to September 2007 Adjunct Assistant Professor Fuller Theological Seminary, 1994 to 2007. Courses: New Testament Theology and Exegesis. Adjunct Instructor San Francisco Theological Seminary, 1995 to 2001. Courses: New Testament Greek and Exegesis Associate Pastor of Education First Presbyterian Church of Hollywood, 1987-1991 Teaching Fellow Harvard University, 1980-1983 Education: Ph.D. in the Study of Religion. Harvard University, 1992. Area: New Testament and Christian Origins M.A. in the Study of Religion Harvard University, 1984. A.B. magna cum laude in Philosophy Harvard University, 1979. Phi Beta Kappa; Danforth Fellowship Books: Can We Trust the Gospels? Investigating the Reliability of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Crossway, 2007 No Holds Barred: Wrestling with God in Prayer. WaterBrook, 2005 Dare to Be True: Living in the Freedom of Complete Honesty. WaterBrook, 2003. Jesus Revealed: Know Him Better to Love Him Better. WaterBrook, 2002. After \"I Believe\": Experiencing Authentic Christian Living. Baker, 2002. Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther in the Communicator's Commentary Series. Word, 1993. 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