{"id":414,"date":"2008-04-16T01:01:46","date_gmt":"2008-04-16T01:01:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/markdroberts\/2008\/04\/ivy-league-congress-on-faith-and-action-my-presentation.html"},"modified":"2008-04-16T01:01:46","modified_gmt":"2008-04-16T01:01:46","slug":"ivy-league-congress-on-faith-and-action-my-presentation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/2008\/04\/ivy-league-congress-on-faith-and-action-my-presentation.html","title":{"rendered":"Ivy League Congress on Faith and Action: My Presentation"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/images\/yale-aerial-view-5.jpg\" alt=\"yale university aerial view\" align=\"right\" height=\"255\" hspace=\"15\" vspace=\"5\" width=\"360\" \/>As I mentioned <a href=\"http:\/\/markdroberts.com\/?p=445\" target=\"_blank\">yesterday<\/a>, this past weekend I participated in the Ivy League Congress on Faith and Action in New Haven, Connecticut \u2013 a short walk from Yale University. (Photo: Yale University from my hotel. In the immediate foreground is the New Haven Green, then the Old Campus. The prominent tower is Harkness Tower. As a Harvardarian, I hate to admit that I find the Yale campus quite attractive, reminiscent of Oxford University.)<br \/>\nThe Ivy League Congress included many &#8220;Vocational Panels&#8221; in a variety of fields: Medicine, Law, Academy, Arts, Government, Business, Ministry, and Media. Speakers made it clear that God&#8217;s call extends to any of these fields (and others). One can serve God as a &#8220;full-time minister&#8221; as a doctor, lawyer, banker, pastor, and so forth. This theology of ministry and discipleship is right on from a biblical point of view, and consistent with the vision of the ministry where I now serve. (See, for example, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thehighcalling.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">The High Calling of Our Daily Work<\/a> website, sponsored by the Foundation that also supports Laity Lodge.)<br \/>\nI was teamed up on the &#8220;Ministry&#8221; panel with Steve Douglass, president of Campus Crusade, and Chuck Tompkins, coordinator of the John R. Mott Center at Cornell University (a part of the Christian Union&#8217;s ministry). Each of us talked about our &#8220;calling&#8221; into &#8220;full-time ministry&#8221; in Christian organizations. Both Chuck and I had served as parish pastors for most of our lives. Steve, after graduating from Harvard Business School, went to work for Campus Crusade, where he has served for almost four decades.<br \/>\nChuck kicked off the discussion with a fifteen-minute presentation on career and calling, urging us to distinguish between the two of them. Steve talked about his decision, after graduating high in in Harvard Business School class, to join Campus Crusade (much to the chagrin of his B-School profs). I sowed eleven &#8220;seeds&#8221; that help us to discern God&#8217;s call upon our lives. My hope was that the students present, about 125 or so, might find one or more of these seeds to be relevant to their particular situation.<br \/>\nToday I&#8217;ll begin to summarize my eleven &#8220;seeds of discernment.&#8221;  I&#8217;ll finish up the list in the following days. I labeled each &#8220;seed&#8221; with a word, so that it might be easily identified and remembered.<br \/>\n<strong>Eleven Seeds for Discerning God&#8217;s Call to &#8220;Ministry&#8221;<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>1. Laity<\/strong><br \/>\nYes, yes, I know this is the first name of my current ministry, Laity Lodge. But this word is essential if we&#8217;re going to talk about God&#8217;s call to ministry. Too often we use the language of calling and ministry only for what might be termed &#8220;full-time Christian service.&#8221; (Even this phrase has problems, as I&#8217;ll point out later.) In popular Christian paralance, once can be &#8220;called&#8221; to &#8220;ministry&#8221; if it&#8217;s in the church, on the mission field, or in some sort of obviously Christian parachurch ministry. But this language is inconsistent with the biblical vision, in which all Christians are called into Christ&#8217;s service. The laity (non-clergy) are just as much called by God as the clergy.<br \/>\nThe fact that one can be called to ministry and <em>not<\/em> enter church or parachurch work is both freeing and potentially confusing. In one has a simple view of calling, in which only ordained ministers are called, then if one feels a call to go into ministry, the path is fairly clear and simple: Go to seminary and get ordained. But if one can be a minister in all avenues of life, as a banker or a teacher or a manager, then it may be more difficult to discern what sort of ministry God is calling one into.<br \/>\nNevertheless, it&#8217;s essential that any conversation about &#8220;ministry&#8221; as a career recognize that calling relates to a broad spectrum of options. In the apt phrase of Laity Lodge&#8217;s founder, Howard E. Butt Jr., there is indeed a &#8220;high calling of our daily work.&#8221;<br \/>\nSo, then, if calling pertains to a wide range of options, how can one know if he or she is being called into parish ministry, or parachurch ministry, or missions? This leads to rest of the items on my list of &#8220;seeds&#8221; for discerning God&#8217;s call.<br \/>\n<strong>2. Surprise<\/strong><br \/>\nGod&#8217;s specific will is often surprising. He often leads us into avenues of service that we did not anticipate. Consider, for example, Moses&#8217;s call to deliver Israel from Egypt, or David&#8217;s call to be king, or Paul&#8217;s call to be the apostle the Gentiles. This has been the story of my life:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>When I was a freshman in college, if you had told me that I&#8217;d go to grad school in New Testament, I&#8217;d have said you were crazy, because I thought I was supposed to be a lawyer.<\/li>\n<li>When I was in grad school, if you had told me that I was going to be a pastor, I&#8217;d have said you were crazy, becuase I thought I was supposed to be a professor.<\/li>\n<li>When I was an associate pastor at Hollywood Presbyterian Church, if you had told me I&#8217;d be a pastor in Orange County, California, I&#8217;d have said you were crazy because I didn&#8217;t like Orange County, and I didn&#8217;t want to pastor a suburban congregation, and I didn&#8217;t want to go to a church that needed to build buildings.<\/li>\n<li>When I was a pastor at Irvine Presbyterian Church in Orange County, if you had told me I&#8217;d be working for a parachurch ministry in Texas, I&#8217;d have said you were truly out of your mind because I didn&#8217;t want to leave parish ministry and I never, ever wanted to move my family to Texas.<\/li>\n<li>When, in the early 2000s, I was writing books and articles, if you had told me my greatest influence beyond my parish would be through blogging, I&#8217;d have said you were smoking illegal substances because I had no desire to become a blogger and no belief that anybody would ever bother to read my blog if, for some odd reason, I started one.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>So, there you go. God has continually surprised me in my life, calling me to ministries that I never anticipated. I suppose one might say that I wouldn&#8217;t be so surprised if I did a better job discerning God&#8217;s will in the first place. I agree. But I think most of us, if we are open to the Lord, will find that he surprises us over and over again as he directs our lives and ministries.<br \/>\nTomorrow I&#8217;ll add more items to my list of &#8220;seeds&#8221; of discernment.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As I mentioned yesterday, this past weekend I participated in the Ivy League Congress on Faith and Action in New Haven, Connecticut \u2013 a short walk from Yale University. (Photo: Yale University from my hotel. In the immediate foreground is the New Haven Green, then the Old Campus. The prominent tower is Harkness Tower. 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Before his time at Irvine Pres, Mark served on the staff of the First Presbyterian Church of Hollywood as Associate Pastor of Education. (Thanks to Janel Pahl for taking the photo to the right.) Mark studied at Harvard University, receiving a B.A. in Philosophy, an M.A. in the Study of Religion, and a Ph.D. in New Testament and Christian Origins. He has taught classes in New Testament for Fuller Theological Seminary and San Francisco Theological Seminary. Mark has written several books, including No Holds Barred: Wrestling with God in Prayer (WaterBrook, 2005), Dare to Be True (WaterBrook, 2003), Jesus Revealed (WaterBrook, 2002), After \"I Believe\" (Baker, 2002), and Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther (Word, 1993). His most recent book is Can We Trust the Gospels? Investigating the Reliability of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John (Crossway, 2007). He is currently working on a commentary on Ephesians that will be published by Zondervan in 2014. Mark writes a devotional for The High Calling of Our Daily Work, a website associated with Laity Lodge. His \"Daily Reflections\" can be viewed online or sent as a daily email. If you wish to receive this email, just visit TheHighCalling.org and sign up. Mark serves on the editorial board of Worship Leader magazine, where he publishes articles and reviews, including his regular column \"Lyrical Poetry.\" Additionally, he has published dozens of articles in leading magazines and journals. He often speaks for churches and other Christian groups, and has been interviewed on over seventy-five radio programs nationwide. Mark is married to Linda, who is a Marriage and Family Therapist, a Spiritual Director, and a retreat speaker. They have two children, Nathan and Kara.For Publicity Photos and Bio Statements for Mark, please check here. Mark's Dossier Professional History: Senior Director and Scholar-in Residence, Laity Lodge, October 2007 to present. Senior Pastor Irvine Presbyterian Church, June 1991 to September 2007 Adjunct Assistant Professor Fuller Theological Seminary, 1994 to 2007. Courses: New Testament Theology and Exegesis. Adjunct Instructor San Francisco Theological Seminary, 1995 to 2001. Courses: New Testament Greek and Exegesis Associate Pastor of Education First Presbyterian Church of Hollywood, 1987-1991 Teaching Fellow Harvard University, 1980-1983 Education: Ph.D. in the Study of Religion. Harvard University, 1992. Area: New Testament and Christian Origins M.A. in the Study of Religion Harvard University, 1984. A.B. magna cum laude in Philosophy Harvard University, 1979. Phi Beta Kappa; Danforth Fellowship Books: Can We Trust the Gospels? Investigating the Reliability of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Crossway, 2007 No Holds Barred: Wrestling with God in Prayer. WaterBrook, 2005 Dare to Be True: Living in the Freedom of Complete Honesty. WaterBrook, 2003. Jesus Revealed: Know Him Better to Love Him Better. WaterBrook, 2002. After \"I Believe\": Experiencing Authentic Christian Living. Baker, 2002. Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther in the Communicator's Commentary Series. Word, 1993. Contacting Mark: You can reach Mark at: E-mail: mark@markdroberts.com mroberts@laitylodge.org Phone: Laity Lodge: (830) 792-1216 Address: Laity Lodge 719 Earl Garrett Kerrville, TX 78028","url":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/author\/mroberts"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/414","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/214"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=414"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/414\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=414"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=414"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=414"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}