{"id":396,"date":"2008-03-28T01:01:47","date_gmt":"2008-03-28T01:01:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/markdroberts\/2008\/03\/my-statement-of-faith-why-hymns-and-songs.html"},"modified":"2008-03-28T01:01:47","modified_gmt":"2008-03-28T01:01:47","slug":"my-statement-of-faith-why-hymns-and-songs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/2008\/03\/my-statement-of-faith-why-hymns-and-songs.html","title":{"rendered":"My Statement of Faith: Why Hymns and Songs?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"right\">Part 3 of series: <em>My Statement of Faith<br \/>\n<\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/htmfiles\/resources\/mystatementoffaith.htm#mar2808\" target=\"_blank\">Permalink for this post<\/a> \/ <a href=\"http:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/htmfiles\/resources\/mystatementoffaith.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Permalink for this series<\/a><br \/>\nWhen Presbyterian pastors or candidates for ordained ministry are being &#8220;checked out&#8221; theologically, their statements of faith usually take the form of six or seven paragraphs of prose. Each paragraph includes carefully chosen, tightly-packed theological language. They are basically creedal in form, touching upon such key doctrines as the nature of God, the nature and mission of Christ, salvation, the church, the sacraments, Scripture, and Christian mission in the world.<br \/>\nIf you look closely at what I submitted, you&#8217;ll see some of this familiar structure and content. I though upon the following themes in the following order:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>God&#8217;s faithfulness<br \/>\nGod as Father<br \/>\nGod as Trinity<br \/>\nGod as creator, lover, savior<br \/>\nJesus as both divine and human<br \/>\nJesus as savior<br \/>\nJesus as sovereign<br \/>\nJesus as friend and one to whom we pray<br \/>\nThe Holy Spirit in us<br \/>\nCommitment of my whole self to God<br \/>\nSubmission to God&#8217;s sovereignty<br \/>\nDesire for God&#8217;s deliverance<br \/>\nThe trustworthiness of God&#8217;s Word<br \/>\nTrusting God&#8217;s Word<br \/>\nThe church founded on Jesus<br \/>\nBaptism<br \/>\nThe church as God&#8217;s elect<br \/>\nCommunion<br \/>\nThe church as unified yet diverse<br \/>\nThe church as the temple of the Holy Spirit<br \/>\nThe church&#8217;s mission as lifting up the cross of Christ<br \/>\nThe church&#8217;s mission as multiplying God&#8217;s love, especially to the<br \/>\npoor<br \/>\nThe promise of the new creation<br \/>\nGod&#8217;s great faithfulness<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>You&#8217;ll see that the basic form and content of my statement is pretty much standard Christian orthodoxy of a Reformed, evangelical stripe. Nothing particularly surprising here.<br \/>\nWhat&#8217;s unusual about my statement of faith is the use of hymns and songs. Why did I opt for these poetic expressions of faith rather than more standard prose?<br \/>\nBefore I answer this question, let me say that I am not opposed to prosaic, propositional statements of faith. I believe that genuine Christianity affirms certain core beliefs, and that these can and should be expressed in propositions. Human words can never fully capture God&#8217;s reality, of course. But the use of our limited words in sentences is an essential aspect of Christian faith. It&#8217;s not an accident that the church, throughout the centuries, has written creeds and confessions to express what it believes (and, at times, what it does not believe). In some quarters of the church today you&#8217;ll find postmodern people who are also post-creedal. They&#8217;re nervous about the limitations and demarcations that come from words and statements in theology. So they are apt not to express their faith in creedal forms, and to criticize the church for being overly doctrinal. Just for the record, though I have some sympathy for those in this quarter of Christendom, I don&#8217;t live there myself.<br \/>\nYet Christian faith is not just a series of propositions. It includes sentences of belief and is in many ways based upon them, to be sure. But Christian faith transcends such statements. It is a living relationship with the living God. It is belief put into practice. It is conviction expressed through adoration. In this way Christian faith is rather like a marriage. I could say, truthfully, that I love my wife. But my marriage is not just an affirmation of this truth, but a daily experience of it as well. So with my faith in God.<br \/>\nThus when I was asked to write a statement of <em>faith<\/em>, I interpreted this as more than a statement of my core beliefs. Yes, yes, I realize that what the committee needed to do its job was a statement of these beliefs. They needed to make sure I was orthodox in a Presbyterian sort of way. And I supplied this orthodox summary in a poetic way. But what I gave them was more than just my crucial beliefs. I shared in an open-hearted way my faith in God, my relationship with God, my love of God.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/..\/..\/images\/Hollywood-Pres-4.jpg\" alt=\"hollywood presbyterian church\" align=\"right\" height=\"283\" hspace=\"10\" vspace=\"5\" width=\"288\" \/>For me, nothing expresses this kind of faith better than hymns and songs. For one thing, I&#8217;ve been singing many of these lyrics for most of my life. Some of them I&#8217;ve sung at least several hundred times. I think, for example, that I sung &#8220;Trust and Obey&#8221; just about every week of Sunday school during my elementary years. And even though I don&#8217;t sing it much any more, it has been forever burned into my memory. Ironically, my journey of faith in the last year has been mostly a matter of trusting and obeying God. The old song sings anew in my heart. (Photo: The First Presbyterian Church of Hollywood, where I grew up singing &#8220;Trust and Obey.&#8221;)<br \/>\nHymns and songs have a way of joining heart and mind like nothing else I know. If I say, &#8220;God has been very faithful to me,&#8221; I can mean it, but my heart remains unmoved. If, however, I&#8217;m singing &#8220;Great is Thy faithfulness, Lord, unto me&#8221; in a worship service, I am often moved to tears. Why? Partly it&#8217;s the power of poetry. Partly it&#8217;s the power of beautiful music. Partly it&#8217;s the memories I associated with this hymn. Add them up and you have a profound statement of truth, &#8220;Great is Thy faithfulness,&#8221; expressed with deep emotion. Plus, when I&#8217;m singing, my body is involved too. I&#8217;m loving the Lord with all my heart, soul, mind, <em>and strength<\/em>.<br \/>\nMany of the hymns and songs I chose are prayers to God:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>                Great is thy faithfulness, O God my Father.<br \/>\nHoly, holy, holy! Lord God Almighty! Early in the morning our song shall rise to Thee.<br \/>\nFairest Lord Jesus, . . . Thee will I cherish, Thee will I honor.<br \/>\nSpirit of God, descend upon my heart.<br \/>\nTake my life, and let it be consecrated, Lord, to Thee.<br \/>\nHave Thine own way, Lord! Have Thine own way!<br \/>\nLet Thy grace, Lord, like a fetter, Bind my wand\u2019ring heart to<br \/>\nThee<br \/>\nMultiply Your love through us To the lost and the least.<br \/>\nFinish then Thy new creation, Pure and spotless let us be.<br \/>\nGreat is thy faithfulness! Great is thy faithfulness!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>They are not only statements about God, but also statements addressed to God. Thus they represent  communication that is intimate as well as truthful. My faith in God is not merely propositional. It is also worshipful, relational, and emotional. It touches everything that I am, not merely my intellect. Thus hymns and songs enable me to state my true faith in a more complete and, in some sense, more honest way. When you listen to what I sing to the Lord, you peer into the depth of my heart.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Part 3 of series: My Statement of Faith Permalink for this post \/ Permalink for this series When Presbyterian pastors or candidates for ordained ministry are being &#8220;checked out&#8221; theologically, their statements of faith usually take the form of six or seven paragraphs of prose. Each paragraph includes carefully chosen, tightly-packed theological language. 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Before his time at Irvine Pres, Mark served on the staff of the First Presbyterian Church of Hollywood as Associate Pastor of Education. (Thanks to Janel Pahl for taking the photo to the right.) Mark studied at Harvard University, receiving a B.A. in Philosophy, an M.A. in the Study of Religion, and a Ph.D. in New Testament and Christian Origins. He has taught classes in New Testament for Fuller Theological Seminary and San Francisco Theological Seminary. Mark has written several books, including No Holds Barred: Wrestling with God in Prayer (WaterBrook, 2005), Dare to Be True (WaterBrook, 2003), Jesus Revealed (WaterBrook, 2002), After \"I Believe\" (Baker, 2002), and Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther (Word, 1993). His most recent book is Can We Trust the Gospels? Investigating the Reliability of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John (Crossway, 2007). He is currently working on a commentary on Ephesians that will be published by Zondervan in 2014. Mark writes a devotional for The High Calling of Our Daily Work, a website associated with Laity Lodge. His \"Daily Reflections\" can be viewed online or sent as a daily email. If you wish to receive this email, just visit TheHighCalling.org and sign up. Mark serves on the editorial board of Worship Leader magazine, where he publishes articles and reviews, including his regular column \"Lyrical Poetry.\" Additionally, he has published dozens of articles in leading magazines and journals. He often speaks for churches and other Christian groups, and has been interviewed on over seventy-five radio programs nationwide. Mark is married to Linda, who is a Marriage and Family Therapist, a Spiritual Director, and a retreat speaker. They have two children, Nathan and Kara.For Publicity Photos and Bio Statements for Mark, please check here. Mark's Dossier Professional History: Senior Director and Scholar-in Residence, Laity Lodge, October 2007 to present. Senior Pastor Irvine Presbyterian Church, June 1991 to September 2007 Adjunct Assistant Professor Fuller Theological Seminary, 1994 to 2007. Courses: New Testament Theology and Exegesis. Adjunct Instructor San Francisco Theological Seminary, 1995 to 2001. Courses: New Testament Greek and Exegesis Associate Pastor of Education First Presbyterian Church of Hollywood, 1987-1991 Teaching Fellow Harvard University, 1980-1983 Education: Ph.D. in the Study of Religion. Harvard University, 1992. Area: New Testament and Christian Origins M.A. in the Study of Religion Harvard University, 1984. A.B. magna cum laude in Philosophy Harvard University, 1979. Phi Beta Kappa; Danforth Fellowship Books: Can We Trust the Gospels? Investigating the Reliability of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Crossway, 2007 No Holds Barred: Wrestling with God in Prayer. WaterBrook, 2005 Dare to Be True: Living in the Freedom of Complete Honesty. WaterBrook, 2003. Jesus Revealed: Know Him Better to Love Him Better. WaterBrook, 2002. After \"I Believe\": Experiencing Authentic Christian Living. Baker, 2002. Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther in the Communicator's Commentary Series. Word, 1993. 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