{"id":351,"date":"2008-02-11T01:01:27","date_gmt":"2008-02-11T01:01:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/markdroberts\/2008\/02\/pangs-pain-thorns-and-thistles.html"},"modified":"2008-02-11T01:01:27","modified_gmt":"2008-02-11T01:01:27","slug":"pangs-pain-thorns-and-thistles","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/2008\/02\/pangs-pain-thorns-and-thistles.html","title":{"rendered":"Pangs, Pain, Thorns, and Thistles"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"right\">Part 5 of series: <em>Being the People of God<br \/>\n<\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/htmfiles\/resources\/peopleofgod.htm#feb408\" target=\"_blank\">Permalink for this post<\/a> \/ <a href=\"http:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/htmfiles\/resources\/peopleofgod.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Permalink for this series<\/a><br \/>\nIn my <a href=\"http:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/htmfiles\/resources\/peopleofgod.htm#feb408\" target=\"_blank\">last post in this series<\/a>, I began to explore the impact of sin on human relationships. Genesis 3 reveals that sin corrupts human community, thus complicating our efforts to be the people of God together.<br \/>\nThis chapter also shows that our efforts to do the work of the people of God will also be complicated and frustrated. Remember that God had given the first people the assignment to &#8220;be fruitful and multiply&#8221; and to &#8220;fill the earth and subdue it&#8221; (Genesis 1). The man, with the woman as his partner, was to be the gardener in God&#8217;s Paradise (Genesis 2). But then the first humans disobeyed God, and Paradise was lost (Genesis 3).<br \/>\nIn Genesis 3, God reveals to the woman and the man the sorry results of their sin:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>16 To the woman he said,<br \/>\n&#8220;I will greatly increase your pangs in childbearing;<br \/>\nin pain you shall bring forth children,<br \/>\nyet your desire shall be for your husband,<br \/>\nand he shall rule over you.\u201d<br \/>\n17 And to the man he said,<br \/>\n\u201cBecause you have listened to the voice of your wife,<br \/>\nand have eaten of the tree<br \/>\nabout which I commanded you,<br \/>\n\u2018You shall not eat of it,\u2019<br \/>\ncursed is the ground because of you;<br \/>\nin toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life;<br \/>\n18      thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;<br \/>\nand you shall eat the plants of the field.<br \/>\n19      By the sweat of your face<br \/>\nyou shall eat bread<br \/>\nuntil you return to the ground,<br \/>\nfor out of it you were taken;<br \/>\nyou are dust,<br \/>\nand to dust you shall return.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Notice that the man and the woman will still do as commanded by being fruitful and filling the earth. Yet now the woman will experience pangs and pain in childbearing. God&#8217;s people will do as they were told, but with difficulty and suffering. Similarly, the man will continue to be God&#8217;s gardener. But because of sin, he will now have to do battle with thorns and thistles. He will work the ground as commanded, but now with difficult and suffering.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/..\/..\/images\/Sistine-Expulsion-4.jpg\" align=\"right\" height=\"353\" hspace=\"10\" vspace=\"5\" width=\"288\" \/>I expect you don&#8217;t need to be convinced about the fact that work is hard, no matter what your work might be. If you manage people, you struggle each day with relational challenges. If you are a parent of teenagers, you know how much wisdom you lack and how much resistance you receive. If you are a literal gardener, then you confront literal weeds and pests. And if you&#8217;ve ever given birth to children, you know quite a bit about the pangs and pains. (Photo: Adam and Eve being expelled from the Garden, in Michaelangelo&#8217;s Sistine Chapel paintings.)<br \/>\nOf course there are times when work feels wonderful and when success comes as if by magic. I&#8217;m now in my fifth month of my new position at Laity Lodge, and there are times when I think I died and went to &#8220;work heaven.&#8221; As much as I enjoy these times and thank God for them, I&#8217;m fully aware that there will be other times, times when I&#8217;ll be exhausted or frustrated or discouraged, times when my best efforts fail, times when I wonder if I can keep on going. I will face my thorns and thistles down the road a piece. Knowing that these are inevitable helps me not to be shocked when they come. It prepares me to lean upon God&#8217;s grace for the strength to carry on.<br \/>\nAlthough we don&#8217;t share in all of the details of Genesis 3 (eating forbidden fruit, covering ourselves with fig leaves, etc.), we do experience the brokenness that comes as a result of sin. Our relationships are tainted with conflict and shame. Our work happens with plenty of sweat and frustration. In the end, we know from experience that we no longer live in Paradise, where being the people of God happens with relational wholeness and rewarding fruitfulness.<br \/>\nYet God did not give up on humanity. Nor did God abandon his plan to create a people for love and work. Rather, his plan began to show its unexpected complexity. More next time . . . .<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Part 5 of series: Being the People of God Permalink for this post \/ Permalink for this series In my last post in this series, I began to explore the impact of sin on human relationships. 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Before his time at Irvine Pres, Mark served on the staff of the First Presbyterian Church of Hollywood as Associate Pastor of Education. (Thanks to Janel Pahl for taking the photo to the right.) Mark studied at Harvard University, receiving a B.A. in Philosophy, an M.A. in the Study of Religion, and a Ph.D. in New Testament and Christian Origins. He has taught classes in New Testament for Fuller Theological Seminary and San Francisco Theological Seminary. Mark has written several books, including No Holds Barred: Wrestling with God in Prayer (WaterBrook, 2005), Dare to Be True (WaterBrook, 2003), Jesus Revealed (WaterBrook, 2002), After \"I Believe\" (Baker, 2002), and Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther (Word, 1993). His most recent book is Can We Trust the Gospels? Investigating the Reliability of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John (Crossway, 2007). He is currently working on a commentary on Ephesians that will be published by Zondervan in 2014. Mark writes a devotional for The High Calling of Our Daily Work, a website associated with Laity Lodge. His \"Daily Reflections\" can be viewed online or sent as a daily email. If you wish to receive this email, just visit TheHighCalling.org and sign up. Mark serves on the editorial board of Worship Leader magazine, where he publishes articles and reviews, including his regular column \"Lyrical Poetry.\" Additionally, he has published dozens of articles in leading magazines and journals. He often speaks for churches and other Christian groups, and has been interviewed on over seventy-five radio programs nationwide. Mark is married to Linda, who is a Marriage and Family Therapist, a Spiritual Director, and a retreat speaker. They have two children, Nathan and Kara.For Publicity Photos and Bio Statements for Mark, please check here. Mark's Dossier Professional History: Senior Director and Scholar-in Residence, Laity Lodge, October 2007 to present. Senior Pastor Irvine Presbyterian Church, June 1991 to September 2007 Adjunct Assistant Professor Fuller Theological Seminary, 1994 to 2007. Courses: New Testament Theology and Exegesis. Adjunct Instructor San Francisco Theological Seminary, 1995 to 2001. Courses: New Testament Greek and Exegesis Associate Pastor of Education First Presbyterian Church of Hollywood, 1987-1991 Teaching Fellow Harvard University, 1980-1983 Education: Ph.D. in the Study of Religion. Harvard University, 1992. Area: New Testament and Christian Origins M.A. in the Study of Religion Harvard University, 1984. A.B. magna cum laude in Philosophy Harvard University, 1979. Phi Beta Kappa; Danforth Fellowship Books: Can We Trust the Gospels? Investigating the Reliability of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Crossway, 2007 No Holds Barred: Wrestling with God in Prayer. WaterBrook, 2005 Dare to Be True: Living in the Freedom of Complete Honesty. WaterBrook, 2003. Jesus Revealed: Know Him Better to Love Him Better. WaterBrook, 2002. After \"I Believe\": Experiencing Authentic Christian Living. Baker, 2002. Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther in the Communicator's Commentary Series. Word, 1993. Contacting Mark: You can reach Mark at: E-mail: mark@markdroberts.com mroberts@laitylodge.org Phone: Laity Lodge: (830) 792-1216 Address: Laity Lodge 719 Earl Garrett Kerrville, TX 78028","url":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/author\/mroberts"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/351","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/214"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=351"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/351\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=351"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=351"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=351"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}