{"id":268,"date":"2007-12-11T01:01:43","date_gmt":"2007-12-11T01:01:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/markdroberts\/2007\/12\/my-response-to-nt-wright-at-laity-lodge-cont.html"},"modified":"2007-12-11T01:01:43","modified_gmt":"2007-12-11T01:01:43","slug":"my-response-to-nt-wright-at-laity-lodge-cont","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/2007\/12\/my-response-to-nt-wright-at-laity-lodge-cont.html","title":{"rendered":"My Response to N.T. Wright at Laity Lodge (cont)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"right\">Part 11 of series: <em>Sharing Laity Lodge<br \/>\n<\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/htmfiles\/resources\/sharinglaitylodge.htm#dec1107\" target=\"_blank\">Permalink for this post<\/a> \/ <a href=\"http:\/\/www.markdroberts.com\/htmfiles\/resources\/sharinglaitylodge.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Permalink for this series<\/a><br \/>\nAt the pastors and leaders retreat at Laity Lodge, Bishop N.T. Wright gave five talks. We had asked him to speak from the platform of his fine book <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0060507152?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=markdrobertsc-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0060507152\" target=\"_blank\">Simply Christian<\/a><\/em>, and to spell out implications for Christian leadership. In fact, Bishop Tom did as we had asked, though adding an extra twist. He showed how many of the themes of <em>Simply Christian<\/em> are lived out in the early church as portrayed in Acts of the Apostles. So we got more than we bargained for, most happily, I might add.<br \/>\nI&#8217;m not going to summarize Bishop Tom&#8217;s teaching. And, unfortunately, Laity Lodge is not yet wired to put things like this online, either for purchase or for podcast. (If you want to purchase the CDs of this retreat, please <a href=\"http:\/\/www.laitylodge.org\/Staff\/ContactStaff.asp?Recipient=Liz\" target=\"_blank\">contact our Administrative Coordinator, Liz Short<\/a>, for the details.) What I want to do is to share one of my personal responses to Bishop Tom&#8217;s teaching.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0060507152?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=markdrobertsc-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0060507152\" target=\"_blank\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/..\/..\/images\/wright-simply-christian-3.jpg\" alt=\"Wright-Simply-Christian\" align=\"right\" border=\"0\" height=\"327\" hspace=\"10\" vspace=\"5\" width=\"216\" \/><\/a>As he connected the points of <em>Simply Christian<\/em> to the book of Acts, I was struck again and again by Bishop Tom&#8217;s effort to interpret the text of Scripture accurately. Every time he referred to a passage from Acts, he set that passage in its larger literary and cultural context, and then paid close attention to the actual words and logic of the passage. Now there&#8217;s nothing radically innovative here. These are exactly the skills I have taught in seminary exegesis courses. But, listening to Bishop Tom, I was reminded of how tempting it is to cut exegetical corners. If I&#8217;ve worked on a text before, or if I think I know what it says, or if I just get tired, I&#8217;m inclined not to do the hard work of textual interpretation. Bishop Tom, on the other hand, keeps working away on the text. His example encouraged me and, to be honest, chastened me a bit.<br \/>\nI was also impressed by his willingness to admit when he wasn&#8217;t quite sure what a biblical passage meant. In the Question &amp; Answer session, somebody asked  about the meaning of Matthew 25:31-46. That&#8217;s the passage where the Son of Man\/King  judges the &#8220;sheep&#8221; and the &#8220;goats.&#8221; It&#8217;s the text where Jesus says, &#8220;I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink&#8221; etc. In response to the question about this passage, Bishop Tom admitted that he still wasn&#8217;t sure exactly how to interpret it, that he had various theories, but that he hadn&#8217;t settled on one. Apart from demonstrating impressive humility in this admission, it struck me as coming from someone who just won&#8217;t &#8220;cheat&#8221; when it comes to biblical interpretation. He will work on the text for as long as it takes to discern its meaning.<br \/>\nNow that&#8217;s not to suggest that Bishop Tom is inerrant in his exegesis. I&#8217;m sure he gets some things wrong, perhaps even some major things. Which of us doesn&#8217;t? But his relentless pursuit of biblical meaning is laudable as well as a great encouragement to the rest of us. He reminds me that faithfulness in understanding the Scripture requires hard work. I hope and pray I can imitate Bishop Tom&#8217;s example in my own life and ministry.<br \/>\nIf you&#8217;re a lay person, if you&#8217;ve never studied Greek or Hebrew, if you don&#8217;t have lots of hours for study, you may wonder if you can engage in the sort biblical interpretation modeled by Bishop Tom. Though academic training and the knowledge of ancient languages certainly helps, I think it&#8217;s quite possible for somebody without such advantages to wrestle honestly and successfully with the meaning of Scripture. With a couple of good translations and a couple of decent commentaries, you can come close to the meaning of the original text. Moreover, much of what leads to the successful interpretation of a text has to do with careful reading of the passage and the context again and again and again. This can be done in English translation. So, though I would encourage anyone who is serious about Bible study to get some relevant academic training, I would also say that the discipline and commitment modeled by Bishop Tom are things that any Christian can and should emulate.<br \/>\nHis commitment to figuring out what Scripture really says, rather than what we think it says or what we&#8217;d like it to say, gets Bishop Tom into trouble at times. He continues to take lots of flak from liberal Christians who are distressed by his interpretation of biblical texts related to homosexuality. Moreover, at the moment, he&#8217;s on the hot seat with many Reformed and evangelical thinkers \u2013 my theological family \u2013 for his take on Paul and especially on the meaning of justification. In my next post I&#8217;ll say a bit more about this controversy.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Part 11 of series: Sharing Laity Lodge Permalink for this post \/ Permalink for this series At the pastors and leaders retreat at Laity Lodge, Bishop N.T. Wright gave five talks. We had asked him to speak from the platform of his fine book Simply Christian, and to spell out implications for Christian leadership. In&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":214,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[23],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-268","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-sharing-laity-lodge"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>My Response to N.T. Wright at Laity Lodge (cont) - Mark D. 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Before his time at Irvine Pres, Mark served on the staff of the First Presbyterian Church of Hollywood as Associate Pastor of Education. (Thanks to Janel Pahl for taking the photo to the right.) Mark studied at Harvard University, receiving a B.A. in Philosophy, an M.A. in the Study of Religion, and a Ph.D. in New Testament and Christian Origins. He has taught classes in New Testament for Fuller Theological Seminary and San Francisco Theological Seminary. Mark has written several books, including No Holds Barred: Wrestling with God in Prayer (WaterBrook, 2005), Dare to Be True (WaterBrook, 2003), Jesus Revealed (WaterBrook, 2002), After \"I Believe\" (Baker, 2002), and Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther (Word, 1993). His most recent book is Can We Trust the Gospels? Investigating the Reliability of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John (Crossway, 2007). He is currently working on a commentary on Ephesians that will be published by Zondervan in 2014. Mark writes a devotional for The High Calling of Our Daily Work, a website associated with Laity Lodge. His \"Daily Reflections\" can be viewed online or sent as a daily email. If you wish to receive this email, just visit TheHighCalling.org and sign up. Mark serves on the editorial board of Worship Leader magazine, where he publishes articles and reviews, including his regular column \"Lyrical Poetry.\" Additionally, he has published dozens of articles in leading magazines and journals. He often speaks for churches and other Christian groups, and has been interviewed on over seventy-five radio programs nationwide. Mark is married to Linda, who is a Marriage and Family Therapist, a Spiritual Director, and a retreat speaker. They have two children, Nathan and Kara.For Publicity Photos and Bio Statements for Mark, please check here. Mark's Dossier Professional History: Senior Director and Scholar-in Residence, Laity Lodge, October 2007 to present. Senior Pastor Irvine Presbyterian Church, June 1991 to September 2007 Adjunct Assistant Professor Fuller Theological Seminary, 1994 to 2007. Courses: New Testament Theology and Exegesis. Adjunct Instructor San Francisco Theological Seminary, 1995 to 2001. Courses: New Testament Greek and Exegesis Associate Pastor of Education First Presbyterian Church of Hollywood, 1987-1991 Teaching Fellow Harvard University, 1980-1983 Education: Ph.D. in the Study of Religion. Harvard University, 1992. Area: New Testament and Christian Origins M.A. in the Study of Religion Harvard University, 1984. A.B. magna cum laude in Philosophy Harvard University, 1979. Phi Beta Kappa; Danforth Fellowship Books: Can We Trust the Gospels? Investigating the Reliability of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Crossway, 2007 No Holds Barred: Wrestling with God in Prayer. WaterBrook, 2005 Dare to Be True: Living in the Freedom of Complete Honesty. WaterBrook, 2003. Jesus Revealed: Know Him Better to Love Him Better. WaterBrook, 2002. After \"I Believe\": Experiencing Authentic Christian Living. Baker, 2002. Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther in the Communicator's Commentary Series. Word, 1993. Contacting Mark: You can reach Mark at: E-mail: mark@markdroberts.com mroberts@laitylodge.org Phone: Laity Lodge: (830) 792-1216 Address: Laity Lodge 719 Earl Garrett Kerrville, TX 78028","url":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/author\/mroberts"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/268","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/214"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=268"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/268\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=268"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=268"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/markdroberts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=268"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}