{"id":773,"date":"2015-07-04T23:00:11","date_gmt":"2015-07-04T23:00:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/lordre\/?p=773"},"modified":"2015-07-04T21:43:16","modified_gmt":"2015-07-04T21:43:16","slug":"anti-muslim-crusaders-arent-friends-of-free-speech","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/lordre\/2015\/07\/anti-muslim-crusaders-arent-friends-of-free-speech.html","title":{"rendered":"Anti-Muslim crusaders aren&#8217;t friends of free speech"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center\"><i>Les meilleures lois ne peuvent faire marcher une constitution en d\u00e9pit des m\u0153urs<br \/>\n<\/i><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\">The best laws cannot make a constitution work in spite of morals<\/p>\n<p id=\"firstHeading\" class=\"firstHeading\" lang=\"en\" style=\"text-align: center\"><strong>Alexis de Tocqueville<\/strong><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h2>The dedicated student of politics and religion knows it is comedy to say\u00a0the\u00a0conservatives who attack Islam as a &#8220;terrorist religion&#8221; are somehow defending our civil liberties.<\/h2>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/pbs.twimg.com\/media\/CFthgFtWoAE1ixw.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\"><i>There isn&#8217;t much difference between religious extremists in the US and in\u00a0Syria<\/i><\/p>\n<p><strong>Free speech, a constitutional right in the US and some EU states, is what the extreme right is most desperately trying to abolish.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The entire point of the anti-Islamic canard in Europe and North America is to eliminate civil liberties, including freedom of conscience and expression. In the United States, it is literally the same law that protects freedom of speech and freedom of worship and one cannot ban Islam without banning freedom of speech along with it.<\/p>\n<p>Hence, people who want Muslims to be treated as terrorists or a fifth column are attempting to abolish the First Amendment. From a constitutional perspective, everything that anti-Muslim campaigners like Pamela Geller represent is a threat to Americans&#8217; civil liberties. In trying to get the government to invade the private realm of faith and conscience and treat a group of people as criminals and subhumans on the basis of their religion, Geller campaigns to destroy the freedom of speech and expression of all Americans.<\/p>\n<p>And there&#8217;s a reason freedom of speech and freedom of religion are both protected together. When the United States was founded, the founders specifically wished to protect religious minorities from persecution. States have often felt under threat from religious minorities, which they feared served\u00a0as poles of dissent and resistance to their rule. Under such pretexts, they would try to only recognize a specific state religion and discourage or outright ban other religious persuasions.<\/p>\n<p>Attempts to ban Islam now are no less than an attack on faith freedom and freedom of speech, attempting to exclude a legitimate religious group from constitutional protection. As soon as the US government starts deciding who is or isn&#8217;t a legitimate religious group, it has basically violated the Constitution. One cannot follow the Constitution and show favor or disfavor towards a particular group.<\/p>\n<p>Anti-Islam campaigners try to argue that Islam threatens freedom of speech but in doing so they misunderstand what freedom of speech is. Freedom of speech doesn&#8217;t refer to a\u00a0right granted by gunmen, soldiers and terrorists to the public, but to a right granted by the state to the public.<\/p>\n<p>Claiming that terrorists threaten our freedom of speech is bogus even if they kill cartoonists and people who mock Mohammed, because freedom of speech was never contingent on what terrorists do or don&#8217;t do anyway. Terrorists were always able to kill people for what they expressed in public, as were any other members of the public. Everyone is at risk of being killed for what they say at all times and freedom of speech has never been about providing any protection from that threat, but only from such threats that originate from the ruling power of the state.<\/p>\n<p>So the irony is that ISIS isn&#8217;t actually attacking freedom of speech in the West, because it isn&#8217;t lobbying the government in France or the US to ban freedom of speech, but Pamela Geller is. ISIS never pretended to be upstanding citizens of\u00a0France or the United States or have any recognition of the Constitution, so they aren&#8217;t bound by such principles even if they hope to one day overthrow these principles in favor of Shariah Law. In contrast, Pamela Geller and her sort are trying to influence the government to ban freedom of speech and even freedom of belief in these countries on the grounds that Muslims shouldn&#8217;t have such freedom. Hence, the only enemy within is\u00a0Pamela Geller herself. She&#8217;s the one trying to destroy the Constitution, destroy Americans&#8217; civil liberties.<\/p>\n<p>If someone throws a stone at you for something you said, they have not interfered in your freedom of speech. It is only if the Police throw a stone at you or the Army drag you away for what you said, that your freedom of speech has been threatened.<\/p>\n<p>There is also the contradiction that I should perhaps write a future post on, that by actually guaranteeing freedom of speech and belief, you necessarily tolerate people who want to overthrow freedom of speech and belief. Such enemies of freedom of speech\u00a0vary from Pamela Geller to ISIS, between whom there is very little difference because both want to ban certain forms of expression\u00a0and force\u00a0their own vision of society on the West.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\">By\u00a0<a title=\"Harry J. Bentham's file at The clubof.info Blog\" href=\"http:\/\/www.clubof.info\/search\/label\/Harry_J_Bentham\" target=\"_blank\">Harry J. Bentham<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-41\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/375\/2014\/08\/HJB-Signature-and-stamp-300x169.jpg\" alt=\"HJB Signature and stamp\" width=\"200\" height=\"113\" \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Les meilleures lois ne peuvent faire marcher une constitution en d\u00e9pit des m\u0153urs The best laws cannot make a constitution work in spite of morals Alexis de Tocqueville The dedicated student of politics and religion knows it is comedy to say\u00a0the\u00a0conservatives who attack Islam as a &#8220;terrorist religion&#8221; are somehow defending our civil liberties. 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