{"id":95,"date":"2009-05-22T02:28:35","date_gmt":"2009-05-22T02:28:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/kingdomofpriests\/2009\/05\/the-joker-a-lonely-face-in-the-atheist-crowd.html"},"modified":"2009-05-22T02:28:35","modified_gmt":"2009-05-22T02:28:35","slug":"the-joker-a-lonely-face-in-the-atheist-crowd","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/kingdomofpriests\/2009\/05\/the-joker-a-lonely-face-in-the-atheist-crowd.html","title":{"rendered":"The Joker, a Lonely Face in the Atheist Crowd"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"2484043356_1c4d00a62a.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/121\/import\/2484043356_1c4d00a62a.jpg\" width=\"500\" height=\"333\" class=\"mt-image-none\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>A friend responds perceptively to <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/kingdomofpriests\/2009\/05\/earlier-this-month-i-challenged.html\">my dialogue with atheists<\/a>, pointing out how reluctant many people are to honestly confront <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/kingdomofpriests\/2009\/05\/a-challenge-to-atheists.html\">the unhappier consequences<\/a> of their world view. Only a few atheists who <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/kingdomofpriests\/2009\/05\/a-challenge-to-atheists_comments.html\">wrote to me on this blog<\/a> were willing to admit that atheism necessitates accepting a meaningless existence. Why the reluctance? Because everyone wants to think he leads a meaningful life, even if his ideas about ultimate questions clearly lead to the conclusion that life is meaningless. Among recent characters in entertainment fiction, Heath Ledger&#8217;s Joker may be the only personality willing to face\u00a0up directly\u00a0to his own nihilism.<\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div>\n<div>Writes my friend:<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<blockquote class=\"webkit-indent-blockquote\"><p>Hi David: You really shake the trees! \u00a0I think the people who wrote you how WONDERFUL and MEANINGFUL it is to understand that they and life have no meaning, don&#8217;t really believe it. \u00a0We all think our lives are important or we become despondent and suicidal. \u00a0There is much nihilism in the world that turns to the black because they do despair at the perceived meaninglessness. But people who are happy and fulfilled by it, are either whistling past the graveyard or fooling themselves.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div><\/div>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"webkit-indent-blockquote\"><p>As to us being a moral species, that is true in the sense that we are hard wired to believe and at least in some fashion perceive right and wrong, even if that is a fluid concept. That doesn&#8217;t make what we believe moral.<br \/>\u00a0<br \/>I don&#8217;t know why I think this is relevant, but I do: When I took acting lessons during my Hollywood days, Guy Stockwell, my teacher, told me that one key to playing a good villain is that he doesn&#8217;t think he&#8217;s the bad guy. \u00a0He may know he has broken laws or done something that can get him in trouble. But he thinks he is justified. \u00a0<br \/>\u00a0<br \/>The only real exception to that is Joker in the most recent <span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: italic\">Batman<\/span> movie. \u00a0A very interesting character. \u00a0He wants everyone to be complicit in his evil. He wants to prove that our society is as off the rails as he is and we are all, underneath our pretensions, like him. \u00a0But then again, he doesn&#8217;t see himself as the bad guy, he sees us as the bad guys because of our phoniness and pretense.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A friend responds perceptively to my dialogue with atheists, pointing out how reluctant many people are to honestly confront the unhappier consequences of their world view. Only a few atheists who wrote to me on this blog were willing to admit that atheism necessitates accepting a meaningless existence. Why the reluctance? 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