{"id":999,"date":"2006-05-22T05:41:28","date_gmt":"2006-05-22T05:41:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2006\/05\/a-davinci-kind-of-day.html"},"modified":"2006-05-22T05:41:28","modified_gmt":"2006-05-22T05:41:28","slug":"a-davinci-kind-of-day","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2006\/05\/a-davinci-kind-of-day.html","title":{"rendered":"A DaVinci Kind of Day"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Kris and I began the day in Louisville, Kentucky, at Springdale Community Church, where I spoke about <em>The DaVinci Code<\/em> (and the bad version of the book in the new movie). My talk went a full hour, but the audience seemed to keep up. <!--more|inline-->My purpose was to see how Dan Brown fared when it came to biblical study and church historical awareness. I don&#8217;t think he fares so well, but he has clearly tapped into trends of a current generation.<br \/>\nAt any rate, we so enjoyed being again with David and Gayle Butler. By the way, if you&#8217;re a young pastor and want role models: David and Gayle are sterling examples of pastoral gifts and generosity &#8212; both of them. Kris and I resonate with them so much we feel like we&#8217;ve known them forever.<br \/>\nWe then hopped in our Rav4 and drove up to Indiana. Convinced as we were that Chicago&#8217;s traffic, with all its construction, would be nightmare, we ditched highway 65 and headed over toward Champaign on 74, but in Danville decided to take Hwy #1 north &#8212; which was a fun drive through the flatlands of central Illinois &#8212; until we got to the end of 57 and found ourselves mired in a massive traffic jam. We found our way out somehow, and that got me to the Vineyard Fellowship of Oak Park, where I once again did a DaVinci Code talk. The host, Perry Marshall, a sharp-thinking Christian orchestrated a splendid event with a nice Sunday night turnout. Good questions. Lots of good ones.<br \/>\nHere&#8217;s an outline of my talk; use it as you want (if you want). I asked folks to grade Dan Brown&#8217;s work (imagining they were teachers). Sorry for the formatting. The talk is now online in my sidebar under Studies I have Online.<br \/>\nThe Challenges of The DaVinci Code<br \/>\nIntroduction:<br \/>\n1.\t160+ weeks on bestseller list.<br \/>\n2.\t300+  items on Amazon.com with that title in them, including DVC games<br \/>\n3.\t44 languages<br \/>\n4.\tDiet Code: Revolutionary Weight-Loss Secrets from the DVC!<br \/>\nIngredients to Popularity<br \/>\n1.\tConspiracy against the Church: \u201cgreatest cover-up in history.\u201d<br \/>\n2.\tMystery and Intrigue<br \/>\n3.\tFeminism: quote p. 454.<br \/>\n4.\tRevelation of sordid lives of religious leaders: Silas the albino priest.<br \/>\n5.\tClaim to be factual: p. 1.<br \/>\n6.\tSelf-flaggelation: visible in movie.<br \/>\nFive Challenges to the Church: What grade would you give Dan Brown?<br \/>\n1.\tChallenge of Desirability to Believe the DVC<br \/>\n1.\tDriven to the heart of a suspicious generation: priestly scandals, \t\t\t\t                   televangelists, local church failures, personal wounds, Clinton.<br \/>\n2.\tGeneral conviction that the Church has suppressed women.<br \/>\n3.\tPresentation of weird religious people.<br \/>\n4.\tProposal of an alternative, more credible story that tells this \t\t\t\t                           generation exactly what it wants to hear.<br \/>\n5.\tSurprising connections with symbols.<br \/>\n6.\tOffering the theory that a power-broker (Constantine) used power \t\t\t\t           to establish religion (tapping into the seeds of worry in our \t\t\t\t\t                   political climate).<br \/>\n7. \tCaught the Church napping on self-awareness on history.<br \/>\n8.\tReponse has to be both rational and relational.<br \/>\nGrade:<br \/>\n2.\tChallenge of a Conspiracy: What is it?<br \/>\n1.\tJesus was a pluralist; EC was pluralist.<br \/>\n2.\tRedemption was up to the individual<br \/>\n3.\tThe divine feminine was central to ancient religions<br \/>\n4.\tOrthodoxy suppressed the #s 1-3.<br \/>\n5.\tGnostic gospels make this clear.<br \/>\n6.\tRestore the feminine; restore pluralism; junk the orthodox.<br \/>\nGrade:<br \/>\n3.\tChallenge of the Central Factor: Was Jesus Married?<br \/>\nEverything in the DVC rests on one fact: Jesus was married.<br \/>\n1.\tTo disprove this, one must have proof to assert it.<br \/>\n2.\tStatistics: since all Jewish males were married, Jesus was.<br \/>\n3.\tThe Gnostic Gospels indicate this.<br \/>\n4.\tMary Magdalene and Jesus were married.<br \/>\nFirst, Christians are not afraid of marriage.<br \/>\nSecond, when we would expect a wife to appear, she does not:\t\t\t\t\t                    at Crucifixion (mother Mary, Mary Magdalene, John told to \t\t\t\t\t                         take care of Mary, the mother);  1 Cor 9:5: Paul could easily have appealed to Jesus.<br \/>\nThird, Christians told the truth about Jesus\u2019 life: Mark 6:3; Mary as \t\t\t\t                      a sotah become na\u2019ap; Joseph as a disgraced tsadiq.<br \/>\nFourth, Jesus\u2019 teachings about celibacy could well indicate \t\t\t\t\t\t                      personal life: Matthew 19:10-12; Mark 9:42-48<br \/>\nFifth, the Gnostic Gospels are (1) late and (2) do not say Jesus was \t\t\t\t\t              married.<br \/>\nSixth, had the Magdalene been married, she would have been \t\t\t\t\t                      called \u201cwife of Jesus\u201d and not \u201cfrom Magdala\u201d.<br \/>\nGrade:<br \/>\n4.\tChallenge of Historical Background to the Novel<br \/>\n1.\tDBrown is right in this: history is at the core of our faith.<br \/>\n2.\tConstantine compiled Bible at Nicea: p. 234.<br \/>\n3.\tConstantine deified Christ: p. 234. (\u201cupgraded Jesus\u2019 status\u201d; 233: \t\t\t\t\t             just a prophet)<br \/>\nClose vote: not close. Nor did they really vote; they signed or didn&#8217;t.<br \/>\n4.\tGnostic texts are more feminine<br \/>\n5.\tMary Magdalene was the leader of the faith.<br \/>\nFirst, the Bible\u2019s books were never voted on; they were in play from the      second century on; the four gospels were always the only gospels in play. Muratorian Canon (gospels); Irenaeus; Justin Martyr (four gospels); Tatian (4G); Origen knows of other gospels and condemns them.<br \/>\nAll but 2 of the bishops signed the Nicene Creed<br \/>\nSecond, John 1:1; Romans 9:5; Jesus\u2019 personal claims.<br \/>\nThird, Gnostic Gospel of Thomas says Mary has to become a \u201cman\u201d to become saved (114).<br \/>\nFourth, what do we know about Mary? (1) from Magdala,\t(2) demonized and exorcised (Lk 8:2), at cross (Mt 27:56, 61), sees empty tomb (Jn 20:1-18).<br \/>\nGrade:<br \/>\nImplication: foreground is fiction; background must be historical; bad \t\t\t\tmove.<br \/>\n5.\tChallenge of the Reliability of the Gospels<br \/>\n1.\tJewish oral tradition: R. Meir; CFD Moule<br \/>\n2.\tGospel comparisons: reliable with some flexibility.<br \/>\n3.\tInter-relationship shows an early conviction that these Gospels saw the original Gospel (Mark; connected to Peter?) as authoritative and the foundation for all Gospeling. I call this the Apostolic Sayings of Jesus Blog<br \/>\n4.\tJewish milieu is in tact: Mark 7.<br \/>\n5.\tCriterion of embarrassment: Mark 6:5; Peter\u2019s words at Jesus\u2019 \t\t\t\t\tconfession.<br \/>\n6.\tDating: 30-40 years after Jesus\u2019 life we have our Gospels.<br \/>\n7.\tJohn 14:26; 16:13: Spirit-directed memory of eyewitnesses.<br \/>\n8.\tGnostic Gospels: c. 150 AD at earliest; clearly against the other \t\t\t\tGospels; non-Jewish; heroize the losers and debunk the orthodox.<br \/>\nGrade:<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Kris and I began the day in Louisville, Kentucky, at Springdale Community Church, where I spoke about The DaVinci Code (and the bad version of the book in the new movie). 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