{"id":735,"date":"2006-02-22T12:00:27","date_gmt":"2006-02-22T12:00:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2006\/02\/emergent-at-the-national-pasto.html"},"modified":"2006-02-22T12:00:27","modified_gmt":"2006-02-22T12:00:27","slug":"emergent-at-the-national-pasto","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2006\/02\/emergent-at-the-national-pasto.html","title":{"rendered":"Emergent at the National Pastor&#8217;s Convention"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Some of you may be interested in the Critical Concerns Course that Zondervan sponsored for pastors who wanted to come a day early to learn about the emerging church movement. First off, I&#8217;m grateful to Zondervan, John Raymond, and to Tony Jones for inviting me. It has been a blast so far. Personal notes at bottom.<!--more|inline--><br \/>\nTuesday Dan Kimball led off by charting his own journey into the emerging movement. It began for him with a question about methodology and this led him to changes in worship; then it moved beyond age groups and the church within a church phenomenon. This led Dan to rethinking ecclesiology: what is the church, after all? then he began to rethink theology itself. And he has settled now into &#8220;being the Church.&#8221; He had a great powerpoint presentation, and fielded questions well and with pastoral tact. Dan&#8217;s about a nice of a guy as you&#8217;ll meet.<br \/>\nRyan Bolger, from Fuller, then spoke of the penetrating and permeating features of the emerging movement that had to be overcome:<br \/>\n1. A modern truncated theology.<br \/>\n2. Homogeneity<br \/>\n3. Individualism<br \/>\n4. Commodification<br \/>\n5. Spectatorship<br \/>\n6. Control<br \/>\n7. Truncated spirituality.<br \/>\nAgain, very good session with some good questions.<br \/>\nDoug Pagitt started with a clip from Bruce Springsteen&#8217;s song about dust and devils (or something like that &#8212; Springsteen&#8217;s words are always a bit muffled to my ears). Leading Doug to this comment: &#8220;How much of this was I thinking of when I began &#8212; none of it; how much of this was I feeling when I began &#8212; all of it.&#8221;<br \/>\nDoug then proposed that the emerging movement will see (1) a non-church-centric theology, (2) a revealist rather than revivalist mindset, and (3) a theory in which belief itself is a praxis.<br \/>\nFinally, LeRon Shults on decentering renewal and the disturbing Spirit. LeRon, a professor at Bethel, proposed  a centrigugal perception of the Church (missional), that control is not a concern for the work of God, and the Spirit disturbs with both fear and hope.  As the universe is de-centered, so the Church needs to be as well. His final comment: salvation is not about being &#8220;in or out&#8221; but about re-ordering communities.<br \/>\nThese folks have all written books but I&#8217;m not going to set up links for each them here.<br \/>\nHad a lunch-interview with a writer, and at the table were Doug and Shelly Pagitt, Dan Kimball, LeRon Shults, and yours truly. Another writer trying to make sense of this emerging thing.<br \/>\nI learned that Ryan Bolger is brother of a former student of mine, Eric Bolger, who is a professor at College of the Ozsrks.<br \/>\nDinner conversation was with Dan Kimball and his interest in responding to the Jesus Seminar and to the religious parallels to the life of Jesus in Egyptian and Persian stuff.<br \/>\nAnd John Burke and I talked at length about foundationalism and postmodernity; and also about his church and things going on now at Willow. Randy Frazee, a new pastor at Willow, and his wife came by earlier in the evening. It was good to meet him.<br \/>\nTony Jones and I sat on his porch and chatted about my book on atonement and about things emergent. I&#8217;m impressed with Tony&#8217;s pastoral approach to all things as well as with his theological interests. In fact, I would rate these folks as some of the most theologically-interesting folks I&#8217;ve been around.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Some of you may be interested in the Critical Concerns Course that Zondervan sponsored for pastors who wanted to come a day early to learn about the emerging church movement. First off, I&#8217;m grateful to Zondervan, John Raymond, and to Tony Jones for inviting me. It has been a blast so far. 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