{"id":6652,"date":"2010-08-11T13:05:23","date_gmt":"2010-08-11T13:05:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2010\/08\/christians-in-academia-rjs.html"},"modified":"2010-08-11T13:05:23","modified_gmt":"2010-08-11T13:05:23","slug":"christians-in-academia-rjs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2010\/08\/christians-in-academia-rjs.html","title":{"rendered":"Christians in Academia (RJS)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/120\/import\/imgs\/IMG_0199ds.JPG\" class=\"mt-image-right\" style=\"float: right;margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px\" height=\"191\" width=\"216\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Three articles have been brought to my attention recently that are worth some discussion.  The first two from <i><b><a href=\"http:\/\/www.insidehighered.com\/\">Inside Higher Ed<\/a><\/b><\/i> by Timothy Larson of Wheaton and Adam Kotsko at Kalamazoo College. (HT EG) The third article is an interview of Mark Noll, Professor of History at Notre Dame, as part of the Patheos series on <i><b><a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/Topics\/Future-of-World-Religions\/Evangelicalism.html\">The Future of Evangelicalism<\/a><\/b><\/i>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">First Timothy Larson&#8217;s contribution: <i><b><a href=\"http:\/\/www.insidehighered.com\/views\/2010\/07\/30\/larsen\">No Christianity Please, We&#8217;re Academics<\/a><\/b><\/i>. Larson relates a couple of anecdotes, one from his own experience and suggests that&nbsp; while a persecution complex is unhealthy, and one should be critical of one&#8217;s own work, discrimination is something that Universities should worry about.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">So,<br \/>\nalthough we hear these stories frequently, Christian academics are the<br \/>\nfirst ones to respond to them with suspicion. Maybe John got a bad grade<br \/>\nbecause his work was not very good. Maybe my proposal was written in an<br \/>\nirritating tone that baited some members of the committee to respond<br \/>\nthat way.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Nevertheless, scholars ought to be concerned that<br \/>\nChristians often report that the academy is a hostile environment. Are<br \/>\nacademics generally glad that such a perception exists? If not, how<br \/>\nmight it be dispelled? If it is based on genuine experiences, what can<br \/>\nbe done about a climate that tolerates religious discrimination? If the<br \/>\ntwo stories presented here are merely assailable, anecdotal evidence,<br \/>\nthen why not gather information on this issue more systematically? Do<br \/>\nacademic institutions ever try to discover if their Christian students<br \/>\nor scholars experience discrimination?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Adam Kotsko&#8217;s response was straight back at Larson (after the jump) .<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><i><b>Do you think that there is real discrimination against Christians in academia?<\/b><\/i><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Adam Kotsko in his article <em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.insidehighered.com\/views\/2010\/08\/09\/kotsko\">Christians in Academe: a Reply <\/a><\/strong><\/em> suggests that there is discrimination perhaps, but it is not against Christians. Rather it is a problem for conservative protestants &#8211; and a problem of our own making. There is no obligation for academia to respect weak and unsupported arguments. Just one paragraph to give a taste &#8211; read the whole article:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">I would propose instead that we need to acknowledge that conservative<br \/>\nevangelical Christians, as a cultural group, often have difficulty<br \/>\nassimilating to the culture of secular colleges and universities. Such<br \/>\ndifficulties are faced by many groups, including first-generation<br \/>\ncollege students, lower- and working-class students, and members of<br \/>\nunderrepresented racial and ethnic groups. It seems to me, however, that<br \/>\nconservative evangelical Christians represent a special case in this<br \/>\nregard. In the other cases, we are dealing with people who have<br \/>\nhistorically been excluded from academe and are therefore simply<br \/>\nunfamiliar with its culture and expectations &#8212; a relatively<br \/>\nstraightforward problem to solve, though not always an easy one. In the<br \/>\ncase of conservative evangelical Christianity, however, we are dealing<br \/>\nwith a group whose leaders have encouraged its members to define<br \/>\nthemselves over against the secular world and particularly secular<br \/>\nacademe.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Kotsko is not into bashing Christians &#8211; rather he speaks from his own experience raised in a conservative Christian family and church facing challenges in college and beyond. At one point he notes &#8220;<i>I should say immediately that not all conservative evangelicals take<br \/>\nsuch extreme views seriously. My own parents, pastors, and youth<br \/>\nleaders, for example, had fairly sensible views &#8212; certainly they were<br \/>\nmore conservative than I have wound up being, but they were<br \/>\nfundamentally reasonable<\/i>.&#8221; He makes some positive suggestions for ways to move forward.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><i><b>And this brings us to the interview with Mark Noll on<\/b><\/i> <i><b><a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/Resources\/Additional-Resources\/Future-of-Evangelicals-in-Academia?offset=0&amp;max=1\">The Future of Evangelicals in Academia<\/a><\/b><\/i>. About fifteen years ago Noll published a much read book <i><b><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0802841805?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0802841805\">The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind<\/a><\/b><\/i> that set forth what he saw then as problems &#8211; profound problems &#8211; with evangelical thinking. It was impossible, or well nigh impossible, he claimed to be an evangelical scholar with intellectual integrity. But things are changing. Toward the end of the interview Timothy Dalrymple poses a question from his own experience as a graduate student.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong>In my own graduate education, I sometimes heard believing<br \/>\nprofessors and historians say that, &#8220;As a historian I believe X, because<br \/>\nI am required to operate according to a certain methodology. But as an<br \/>\nindividual believer, I believe Y.&#8221; The question is: Is that a stable<br \/>\narrangement? &#8230; Is it practical to<br \/>\nbifurcate ourselves as scholars into one part that draws conclusions<br \/>\naccording to rigorous methodological criteria and another part that<br \/>\nconfesses a different set of beliefs?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Mark Noll responded: <\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">That&#8217;s a very<br \/>\ngood question. I actually think it&#8217;s fatal for long-term Christian<br \/>\nthinking and fatal for the long-term health of Christianity <em>per se<\/em><br \/>\nto live under different basic commitments in professional life and<br \/>\nchurch life. To say that I adopt the rules of<br \/>\nthe game for academic life Monday to Friday, and the rules of church<br \/>\nlife on Sunday, that&#8217;s a real problem.<br \/>\n<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">However, what&#8217;s required for many domains of learning, and I would<br \/>\ninclude biblical studies, is the serious use of the mind while the<br \/>\nspirit is fully cast in a Christian foundation.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">This is a nice turn of phrase &#8211; serious use of the mind, rigorous and critical thinking, while the spirit is fully cast in a Christian foundation. We need to find a way forward that preserves intellectual integrity and remains Christian. Not an easy thing in an environment where secular materialism is in the air we breathe. We need to break out of what I have called &#8220;evangelical ghetto thinking&#8221; but do so while remaining committed to Christ and his church.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Noll also sees some encouraging trends &#8211; prominent evangelical and confessional Protestant philosophers (<i>RJS: side note of my own &#8211; if only they would listen to scientists about science<\/i>); significant work by sociologists (eg. Christian Smith, James Hunter and more); Francis Collins and BioLogos; and, he notes, &#8220;<i>a better way<br \/>\nof negotiating the major universities like Chicago and Michigan and the<br \/>\nIvy League schools, as more faculty and more students are willing to<br \/>\nidentify as evangelical Christians and confessional Christians.<\/i>&#8221; The efforts at Baylor to become a true<br \/>\nresearch university while retaining a commitment to evangelical principles is also a positive sign.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">And this brings me back to the question I posed above:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><i><b>Do you think that there is real discrimination against Christians in academia? If so is it justified? What can we do to move forward?<\/b><br \/><\/i><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">If you wish to contact me directly you may do so at rjs4mail[at]att.net<br \/><i><\/i> <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Three articles have been brought to my attention recently that are worth some discussion. The first two from Inside Higher Ed by Timothy Larson of Wheaton and Adam Kotsko at Kalamazoo College. 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