{"id":6461,"date":"2010-06-24T06:22:27","date_gmt":"2010-06-24T06:22:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2010\/06\/christ-and-the-dragons-2.html"},"modified":"2010-06-24T06:22:27","modified_gmt":"2010-06-24T06:22:27","slug":"christ-and-the-dragons-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2010\/06\/christ-and-the-dragons-2.html","title":{"rendered":"Christ and the Dragons 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/assets_c\/2010\/06\/Dragons-15359.html\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/files\/import\/assets_c\/2010\/06\/Dragons-thumb-333x447-15359.jpg\" width=\"333\" height=\"447\" alt=\"Dragons.jpg\" class=\"mt-image-left\" style=\"float: left;margin: 0 20px 20px 0\" \/><\/a><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.christianity.com\/Blogs\/JWhite\/\"><b>James Emery White<\/b><\/a> thinks evangelicalism is teetering over a precipice, and his new book &#8212;&nbsp;<em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0830833129?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0830833129\">Christ Among the Dragons: Finding Our Way Through Cultural Challenges<\/a><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0830833129\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\" \/><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/em>&nbsp;&#8212; probes topics that are in need of serious discussion.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Orthodoxy is one such topic.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Orthodoxy is a shibboleth &#8212; that is, it is something that one can either pronounce or not. That is, something one either affirms or does not. In this sense, it has a level of objectivity about it.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>It also divides. It also unifies.&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>White presses into an issue that is at work today: tolerance. He sees three kinds:<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><i>Social<\/i> tolerance: I accept you as a person because you are a person.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><i>Legal<\/i> tolerance: You have the right to think and believe what you want.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><i>Intellectual<\/i> tolerance: all ideas are equally valid.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>White thinks intellectual tolerance has too much influence among too many evangelicals and it is cutting into the fabric of its integrity, and in particular into its orthodoxy.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><b>But what about Jesus? Did Jesus believe in orthodoxy as a test case to be his follower?<\/b><\/div>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\n&#8220;The idea [for many today] is that Jesus did not have a statement of faith &#8212; he was about calling people into trustworthy community as opposed to cognitive assent to abstract propositions&#8221; (47).<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Let&#8217;s pause right here: is it fair to say that Jesus did not believe in propositions? (The word &#8220;abstract&#8221; is a red herring.) The issue here is did Jesus think someone had to believe something &nbsp;about him &#8212; something propositionaizable [no word, I admit, but it might work here] &#8212; in order to be a genuine follower?<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>So what is &#8220;orthodoxy&#8221;? White: &#8220;to be in alignment with the Christian faith as revealed in Scripture and as conveyed in a heritage&#8221; (50).<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>It has to do with determining what is Christian and what is essentially Christian.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Which to me [SMcK] means this: it must be entailed in the gospel. That is, to be orthodox means to be so connected to the gospel that the denial of it means undercutting the gospel itself.<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>James Emery White thinks evangelicalism is teetering over a precipice, and his new book &#8212;&nbsp;Christ Among the Dragons: Finding Our Way Through Cultural Challenges &nbsp;&#8212; probes topics that are in need of serious discussion.&nbsp; Orthodoxy is one such topic. Orthodoxy is a shibboleth &#8212; that is, it is something that one can either pronounce or&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":70,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6461","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-gospel"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Christ and the Dragons 2 - Jesus Creed<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2010\/06\/christ-and-the-dragons-2.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Christ and the Dragons 2 - Jesus Creed\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"James Emery White thinks evangelicalism is teetering over a precipice, and his new book &#8212;&nbsp;Christ Among the Dragons: Finding Our Way Through Cultural Challenges &nbsp;&#8212; probes topics that are in need of serious discussion.&nbsp; Orthodoxy is one such topic. 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