{"id":6212,"date":"2009-12-01T05:23:52","date_gmt":"2009-12-01T05:23:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2009\/12\/seeking-advice-about-a-mom.html"},"modified":"2009-12-01T05:23:52","modified_gmt":"2009-12-01T05:23:52","slug":"seeking-advice-about-a-mom","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2009\/12\/seeking-advice-about-a-mom.html","title":{"rendered":"Seeking Advice about a Mom"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Q.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/120\/import\/imgs\/Q.jpg\" width=\"207\" height=\"306\" class=\"mt-image-right\" style=\"float: right;margin: 0 0 20px 20px\" \/><\/span>Here is a letter from a reader with some very specific questions: How do you respond when you discover your mother is now a lesbian? The traditionalist says such is contrary to God&#8217;s will, so the question emerges for this letter-writer on whether one should apply the disciplinary instructions of Paul to churches within one&#8217;s family. Assuming we can be civil here, and that means entering into the world of this letter writer and not just contending with him with our own viewpoint, I&#8217;m asking for a healthy and vigorous conversation today about his questions.<\/p>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\"><\/p>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family: 'Times New Roman'\"><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><i>Hi Scot,<\/p>\n<p>I am really having a hard time determining the appropriate response to my mother who is a professing Christian and is in a lesbian relationship. &nbsp;When I started researching what the Bible says my response should be to her I immediately found the various articles on a well-known website endorsing &#8220;holy ostracism&#8221; based on 1 Cor 5, 2 Thess 3:14-15 and 1 Timothy 1:18-20 (also Matthew 18:15-17) [Texts after the jump.] &nbsp;I am finding objections to this interpretation, including the argument that these passages are not for personal relationships but for church communities.<\/p>\n<p>The problem is that my mother and her partner attend large churches and remain completely anonymous from the community. &nbsp;It seems to me that the closest thing she has to a Christian community where she is known and loved and has the leverage to apply Paul&#8217;s teaching is our family. &nbsp; Our family is actively seeking wisdom and guidance to how we respond and we are currently discussing the validity of &#8220;holy ostracism&#8221;. &nbsp;We want to do the most loving thing and we want to follow in the way of Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>I am very interested in hearing your perspective on this. &nbsp;Do you think it is wrong to apply these passages to personal relationships? &nbsp;If so, in what situations do we follow Paul&#8217;s instruction to disassociate with Christians who make peace with their sin? &nbsp;I would LOVE to be convinced that &#8220;holy ostracism&#8221; is not to be applied to personal relationships because I don&#8217;t want to do this to my mother.<\/i><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\n1 Corinthians 5<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"bodytext\" style=\"text-indent: 1em\"><span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">5:1<\/span>&nbsp;It is actually reported that sexual immorality exists among you, the kind of immorality that is not permitted even among the Gentiles, so that someone is cohabiting with his father&#8217;s wife.&nbsp;<span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">5:2<\/span>&nbsp;And you are proud! Shouldn&#8217;t you have been deeply sorrowful instead and removed the one who did this from among you?&nbsp;<span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">5:3<\/span>&nbsp;For even though I am absent physically, I am present in spirit. And I have already judged the one who did this, just as though I were present.&nbsp;<span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">5:4<\/span>&nbsp;When you gather together in the name of our Lord Jesus, and I am with you in spirit, along with the power of our Lord Jesus,&nbsp;<span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">5:5<\/span>&nbsp;turn this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.<\/p>\n<p class=\"bodytext\" style=\"text-indent: 1em\"><span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">5:6<\/span>&nbsp;Your boasting is not good. Don&#8217;t you know that a little yeast affects the whole batch of dough?&nbsp;<span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">5:7<\/span>&nbsp;Clean out the old yeast so that you may be a new batch of dough &#8211; you are, in fact, without yeast. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.&nbsp;<span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">5:8<\/span>&nbsp;So then, let us celebrate the festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of vice and evil, but with the bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.<\/p>\n<p class=\"bodytext\" style=\"text-indent: 1em\"><span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">5:9<\/span>&nbsp;I wrote you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people.&nbsp;<span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">5:10<\/span>&nbsp;In no way did I mean the immoral people of this world, or the greedy and swindlers and idolaters, since you would then have to go out of the world.&nbsp;<span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">5:11<\/span>&nbsp;But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who calls himself a Christian who is sexually immoral, or greedy, or an idolater, or verbally abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Do not even eat with such a person.&nbsp;<span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">5:12<\/span>&nbsp;For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Are you not to judge those inside?&nbsp;<span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">5:13<\/span>&nbsp;But God will judge those outside.&nbsp;<i>Remove the evil person from among you<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"bodytext\" style=\"text-align: left;text-indent: 1em\">2 Thessalonians 3<\/p>\n<p class=\"bodytext\" style=\"text-align: left;text-indent: 1em\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family: 'Times New Roman';font-size: medium\"><span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">3:14<\/span>&nbsp;But if anyone does not obey our message through this letter, take note of him and do not associate closely with him, so that he may be ashamed.&nbsp;<span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">3:15<\/span>&nbsp;Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here is a letter from a reader with some very specific questions: How do you respond when you discover your mother is now a lesbian? 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