{"id":619,"date":"2006-01-11T06:13:24","date_gmt":"2006-01-11T06:13:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2006\/01\/the-evangelical-giveaway-8.html"},"modified":"2006-01-11T06:13:24","modified_gmt":"2006-01-11T06:13:24","slug":"the-evangelical-giveaway-8","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2006\/01\/the-evangelical-giveaway-8.html","title":{"rendered":"The Evangelical Giveaway 8"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The seventh chp in David Fitch&#8217;s <em>The Great Giveaway<\/em> concerns spiritual formation. The primary direction of the chp is to return counseling to the church and to get more church in the psychologist&#8217;s office. [Now he&#8217;s meddling with my wife&#8217;s vocation.] He challenges the authority inherent to Christian therapy and the narrative structure that many derive from therapists to explain their life. Do you think what we now call &#8220;Christian therapy&#8221; belongs in the local church or in a (parachurch) professional office setting?<!--more|inline--><br \/>\nFitch contends that postmodernist critiques have devastated the legitimacy of therapy. But, when evangelicals send their folks to the therapist&#8217;s office they are giving away spiritual formation. Here is his point of view: &#8220;Therapists train the patient to look constantly inward and to center oneself on one&#8217;s emotions. Therapists ask constantly, &#8216;What does that say about you?&#8217; &#8221; (184). Underneath Fitch&#8217;s chp is a belief that modernity&#8217;s values are inherent to the therapeutic process. This chp in Fitch reminds of James Houston&#8217;s book, <em>The Mentored Life<\/em>. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jesuscreed.org\/?p=499\">See the response of Brad Bergfalk and me<\/a>.<br \/>\nHe begins with a simplistic summary that evangelicals accept psychology as a science and that therapists superficially harmonize Scripture and psychology. [At this point I&#8217;ve almost put the book down, because I know far too many theologically-sophisticated therapists and psychologists and books.] He contends, accurately and now I&#8217;m back on board with him, that postmodernity demonstrates that psychology is an &#8220;interpretive enterprise&#8221; (184). As such, it is only one explanation.<br \/>\nAs such, psychology may not be in line with Christian truths and genuine spiritual formation. Will it treat &#8220;dysfunction&#8221; or &#8220;sin&#8221;? Will it be Jungian murderous psychodrama or will it be cross-based forgiveness? He sees them as &#8220;two different ways of interpreting our reality&#8221; (187). &#8220;Psychology aims for satisfaction in one&#8217;s self while Christianity aims for a satisfaction in Christ&#8221; (187). &#8220;Psychology and Christ therefore form two different kinds of people&#8221; (187).<br \/>\nHe provides a more extensive look at a Jungian approach to &#8220;sin&#8221; vs. &#8220;shadow.&#8221;<br \/>\nTherapy needs preaching about repentance and restoration. Here are his suggestions for returning the work of therapy as part of the church&#8217;s spiritual formation:<br \/>\n1. Recapture the confessional as a &#8220;safe and confidential&#8221; place. [Frankly, this can be in a therapist&#8217;s office or in the local Starbuck&#8217;s.] Fitch has &#8220;triads&#8221; in his church: groups of three who are accountable to one another.<br \/>\n2.Practice therapist agreements within the church: work to get closer connections of the therapist and the local church. [He admits this has not been able to be worked out in his local church.]<br \/>\nMy response to this chp?<br \/>\n1. Fitch simplifies psychology into an either-or world, which is unfair to thoughtful Christian psychology and psychologists. It is just as easy to do this to his field (pastor, professor, writer)  as it is to psychologists &#8212; but it does not help to simplify or take eggregious examples. The single most important source, perhaps, for Christian evangelicals is the <em>Baker Encyclopedia of Psychology<\/em> ed. by David Benner, and there are others &#8212; he needs to interact with the best of the approaches not the stereotypes.<br \/>\n2. I agree that more psychologists need theological training and they need to work out the practices of repentance and penance in the therapist&#8217;s office; and I believe that many pastors need more sophisticated training on what psychology, in a Christian mode, looks like. And confession to one another is a good thing.<br \/>\n3. We need to ask why it is that Christian psychology has developed as a parachurch enterprise and is not found as often inside the walls of a local church? (And here I would contend, once again, that parachurch is a label &#8212; &#8220;church&#8221; is not just inside the walls of a local congregation.)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The seventh chp in David Fitch&#8217;s The Great Giveaway concerns spiritual formation. The primary direction of the chp is to return counseling to the church and to get more church in the psychologist&#8217;s office. 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