{"id":5606,"date":"2010-02-23T06:02:53","date_gmt":"2010-02-23T06:02:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2010\/02\/of-fleas-and-faith-rjs.html"},"modified":"2010-02-23T06:02:53","modified_gmt":"2010-02-23T06:02:53","slug":"of-fleas-and-faith-rjs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2010\/02\/of-fleas-and-faith-rjs.html","title":{"rendered":"Of Fleas and Faith (RJS)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/120\/import\/imgs\/Augustine%20ds.jpg\" class=\"mt-image-right\" style=\"float: right;margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px\" height=\"443\" width=\"288\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">There were two interesting posts last week &#8211; on two very different kinds of blogs. The first on Jerry Coyne&#8217;s blog &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com\/2010\/02\/15\/monday-fleas\/\">Why Evolution is True<\/a>,&#8221; where he scratches a flea, and the second, a response, on the BioLogos blog &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/biologos.org\/blog\/response-from-one-of-jerry-coynes-fleas\/#comments\">Science and the Sacred<\/a>,&#8221; where the flea responds. <\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">A brief excerpt from Coyne &#8211; in reference to <a href=\"http:\/\/biologos.org\/blog\/scripture-evolution-and-the-problem-of-science-pt-2\/\">a post<\/a> by Kent Sparks on accommodation in scripture:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Once again we see that modern theology is the art of turning empirical<br \/>\nnecessities into spiritual virtues.&nbsp; Except for a few dissenters like<br \/>\nAugustine and Calvin, the bulk of Christian theology up to the rise of<br \/>\nscience in the sixteenth century involved seeing the Bible literally&#8211;in<br \/>\nits entirety.&nbsp; Six-day creation, Noah, Adam and Eve&#8211;the whole <em>megillah<\/em>.&nbsp;<br \/>\nThat held for cosmology, biology, and evolution.&nbsp; It was only when<br \/>\nreason and empirical studies began to show phenomena in conflict with<br \/>\nscripture that theologians began to realize that the Bible was not<br \/>\nwholly inerrant.&nbsp; <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">and later:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Theology moves ahead not under its own steam, but by pressure from<br \/>\nbehind by science and reason. And the &#8220;progress&#8221; it achieves is not some<br \/>\nclearer understanding of a spiritual reality, but simply a new kind of<br \/>\ndoublethink that purports to reconcile the natural with the<br \/>\nsupernatural.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Enns and Falk <a href=\"http:\/\/biologos.org\/blog\/response-from-one-of-jerry-coynes-fleas\/\">respond<\/a> to Coyne pointing out that Christian thinking has always had a level of nuance and dialog. They conclude their response:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The message of Scripture reflects the cultures in which it is written,<br \/>\nyet we also believe it transcends those cultures. There is a delicate<br \/>\nbalance but our best thinkers have always understood this. At BioLogos<br \/>\nwe, and the many others like us, are  simply responding  to new<br \/>\nknowledge in the way that the Judeo-Christian tradition has long been<br \/>\nknown to do.  <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">I have some thoughts on Coyne&#8217;s post and the response &#8211; but first I&#8217;d like to open a discussion here. Read the two posts and offer your thoughts.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><i><b>To what extent is Christian theology a final word, a &#8220;done deal,&#8221; and to what extent is it a living word &#8211; revised, reformed, restated in the wrestling and context of each succeeding generation?<\/b><\/i><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">If you would like to contact me, you may do so at rjs4mail[at]att.net<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There were two interesting posts last week &#8211; on two very different kinds of blogs. The first on Jerry Coyne&#8217;s blog &#8220;Why Evolution is True,&#8221; where he scratches a flea, and the second, a response, on the BioLogos blog &#8220;Science and the Sacred,&#8221; where the flea responds. 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