{"id":5437,"date":"2010-02-04T00:01:05","date_gmt":"2010-02-04T00:01:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2010\/02\/lengthening-our-memory-6.html"},"modified":"2010-02-04T00:01:05","modified_gmt":"2010-02-04T00:01:05","slug":"lengthening-our-memory-6","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2010\/02\/lengthening-our-memory-6.html","title":{"rendered":"Lengthening Our Memory 6"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><b><br \/><\/b><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/assets_c\/2010\/01\/Pantocrator-10826.html\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/files\/import\/assets_c\/2010\/01\/Pantocrator-thumb-250x487-10826.jpg\" width=\"200\" height=\"350\" alt=\"Pantocrator.jpg\" class=\"mt-image-right\" style=\"float: right;margin: 0 0 20px 20px\" \/><\/a><\/span>Chris Hall, in&nbsp;<em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/083083866X?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=083083866X\">Worshiping With the Church Fathers<\/a><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=083083866X\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\" \/><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/em>, examines the topic of prayer in the fathers and he has several chps because the topic of prayer was so central to the worship of the early fathers.<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Proba, a woman, wrote a letter to Augustine asking his advice on prayer to which he responded in a letter now famous in those who study prayer. One of Augustine&#8217;s points was that she, a wealthy woman, relied too much on what she owned and that such a life detracted from a prayer life. The brevity of life and the need to embrace death are necessary ideas for Augustine and the fathers&#8217; sense of both spirituality and worship.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Chris Hall asks how long it has been since one heard a sermon about signs of our death. So he quotes from Psalm 39:<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<blockquote class=\"webkit-indent-blockquote\">\n<div><span class=\"Apple-style-span\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"poetry\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 4px;margin-left: 1em\"><span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">39:4<\/span>&nbsp;&#8220;O&nbsp;<span class=\"sc\" style=\"font-variant: small-caps\">Lord<\/span>, help me understand my mortality and the brevity of life!<\/p>\n<p class=\"poetry\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 4px;margin-left: 1em\">Let me realize how quickly my life will pass!<\/p>\n<p class=\"poetry\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 4px;margin-left: 1em\"><span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">39:5<\/span>&nbsp;Look, you make my days short-lived, and my life span is nothing from your perspective.<\/p>\n<p class=\"poetry\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 4px;margin-left: 1em\">Surely all people, even those who seem secure, are nothing but vapor.<\/p>\n<p class=\"poetry\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 4px;margin-left: 1em\"><span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">39:6<\/span>&nbsp;Surely people go through life as mere ghosts. Surely they accumulate worthless wealth without knowing who will eventually haul it away.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"poetry\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 4px;margin-left: 1em\"><span class=\"vref\" style=\"font-weight: bold\">39:7<\/span>&nbsp;But now, O Lord, upon what am I relying? You are my only hope!<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\nGregory of Nyssa reflects &#8212; deeply and profoundly &#8212; on the ease of neglecting prayer time. Work and passions and laziness &#8230; but no one plans to neglect prayer.<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Then back to Proba and Augustine, and Augustine probes further to see if her pursuit of happiness is genuine. He wonders if pleasure is her source of happiness and &#8212; Hall observes &#8212; rather surprisingly hopes for some desolation. Desiring only that which is truly good is the secret to happiness according to Augustine. Augustine believed knowing these things mattered in prayer &#8230; and even friendship is to be had for the sake of God. For Augustine, the ultimate aim is the vision of God.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>A few more ideas from Augustine: we pray unceasingly in order to conform our desires to God&#8217;s desires, and then he examines unanswered prayer through Richard Foster and John Chrysostom, telling a story about Reba and Rachel that are worth the price of the book (and I won&#8217;t spoil it here). What he has learned is this: don&#8217;t give up.<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Chris Hall, in&nbsp;Worshiping With the Church Fathers , examines the topic of prayer in the fathers and he has several chps because the topic of prayer was so central to the worship of the early fathers. 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