{"id":5053,"date":"2009-06-05T00:03:02","date_gmt":"2009-06-05T00:03:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2009\/06\/justification-and-new-perspect-14.html"},"modified":"2009-06-05T00:03:02","modified_gmt":"2009-06-05T00:03:02","slug":"justification-and-new-perspect-14","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2009\/06\/justification-and-new-perspect-14.html","title":{"rendered":"Justification and New Perspective 15"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"NTWright.jpg\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/files\/import\/imgs\/NTWright.jpg\" class=\"mt-image-left\" style=\"margin: 0pt 20px 20px 0pt;float: left\" height=\"237\" width=\"198\" \/><\/span>One of the stickiest points in all of this new perspective vs. old perspective discussion is what to make of Romans 2:1-16, and Wright makes it clear that he thinks Paul means exactly what he says (<em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0830838635?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0830838635\">Justification: God&#8217;s Plan &amp; Paul&#8217;s Vision<\/a><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0830838635\" alt=\"\" style=\"border: medium none  ! important;margin: 0px ! important\" border=\"0\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\" \/>,<\/strong><\/em>). [I posted the text at the bottom of this post.]<\/p>\n<p>First, he says this is no charade &#8212; no pretending someone can be justified by works so we can set them up for the hammer in chp. 3.<\/p>\n<p>Second, doers of the Torah will be justified. That&#8217;s what Paul says in 2:13. (It&#8217;s in your Bible too.) Wright argues that one does the Torah through the Spirit. But this is not the synergism that says &#8220;I do part&#8221; and &#8220;God does part.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Third, the scene is the great assize &#8212; last judgment &#8212; and Jesus is the judge. The judgment is based on works &#8212; and Paul says that in Romans 2 and 2 Cor 5:10 and it is implicit in Rom 14:10-12. And Wright enters here into a clear set of lines about how important works is in the Pauline sense of judgment.<\/p>\n<p>All this stuff, fourth, about pleasing God is not the logic of merit but the logic of love and relationship.<\/p>\n<p>Fifth, this again makes the Holy Spirit important &#8212; more important than in the old perspective.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 12pt;text-align: left;text-indent: 9pt\"><span style=\"font-weight: bold;font-size: 18pt\">2<\/span><br \/>\nYou, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else,<br \/>\nfor at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself,<br \/>\nbecause you who pass judgment do the same things. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:2\" title=\"Romans 2:2\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">2 <\/span>Now we know that God&#8217;s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:3\" title=\"Romans 2:3\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">3 <\/span>So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God&#8217;s judgment? <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:4\" title=\"Romans 2:4\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">4 <\/span>Or<br \/>\ndo you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and<br \/>\npatience, not realizing that God&#8217;s kindness leads you toward<br \/>\nrepentance? <\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 12pt;text-align: left;text-indent: 9pt\"><a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:5\" title=\"Romans 2:5\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">5 <\/span>But<br \/>\nbecause of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are<br \/>\nstoring up wrath against yourself for the day of God&#8217;s wrath, when his<br \/>\nrighteous judgment will be revealed. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:6\" title=\"Romans 2:6\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">6 <\/span>God &#8220;will give to each person according to what he has done.&#8221;<a href=\"\" rel=\"popup\" title=\"&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#ref=Ps 62:12,hi=Ps 62:12&quot; class=&quot;bibleref&quot; title=&quot;Psalm 62:12&quot;&gt;Psalm 62:12&lt;\/a&gt;; &lt;a href=&quot;#ref=Pr 24:12,hi=Pr 24:12&quot; class=&quot;bibleref&quot; title=&quot;Proverbs 24:12&quot;&gt;Prov. 24:12&lt;\/a&gt;&lt;\/p&gt; \"><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">a<\/span><\/a> <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:7\" title=\"Romans 2:7\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">7 <\/span>To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:8\" title=\"Romans 2:8\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">8 <\/span>But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:9\" title=\"Romans 2:9\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">9 <\/span>There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:10\" title=\"Romans 2:10\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">10 <\/span>but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:11\" title=\"Romans 2:11\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">11 <\/span>For God does not show favoritism. <\/p>\n<p style=\"font-size: 12pt;text-align: left;text-indent: 9pt\"><a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:12\" title=\"Romans 2:12\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">12 <\/span>All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:13\" title=\"Romans 2:13\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">13 <\/span>For<br \/>\nit is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God&#8217;s sight, but<br \/>\nit is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:14\" title=\"Romans 2:14\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">14 <\/span>(Indeed,<br \/>\nwhen Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by<br \/>\nthe law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have<br \/>\nthe law, <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:15\" title=\"Romans 2:15\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">15 <\/span>since<br \/>\nthey show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,<br \/>\ntheir consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now<br \/>\naccusing, now even defending them.) <a href=\"\" rel=\"verse\" id=\"Ro 2:16\" title=\"Romans 2:16\">&nbsp;<\/a><span style=\"vertical-align: 2px;line-height: 0pt;font-size: 85%\">16 <\/span>This will take place on the day when God will judge men&#8217;s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. <\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One of the stickiest points in all of this new perspective vs. old perspective discussion is what to make of Romans 2:1-16, and Wright makes it clear that he thinks Paul means exactly what he says (Justification: God&#8217;s Plan &amp; Paul&#8217;s Vision,). 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