{"id":4859,"date":"2009-11-24T00:13:47","date_gmt":"2009-11-24T00:13:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2009\/11\/going-beyond-the-bible-biblica-2.html"},"modified":"2009-11-24T00:13:47","modified_gmt":"2009-11-24T00:13:47","slug":"going-beyond-the-bible-biblica-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2009\/11\/going-beyond-the-bible-biblica-2.html","title":{"rendered":"Going Beyond the Bible Biblically 3"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Gutenberg_Bible ds.JPG\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/files\/import\/imgs\/Gutenberg_Bible%20ds.JPG\" width=\"302\" height=\"204\" class=\"mt-image-right\" style=\"float: right;margin: 0 0 20px 20px\" \/><\/span>Here are our big questions in this series of posts: <b>How do we move beyond the Bible? Should we? Better yet: Since we have to, how do we move beyond the Bible into our world but do this biblically?<\/b> This is the concern of Zondervan&#8217;s new Counterpoint book edited by Gary Meadors: <em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0310276551?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310276551\">Four Views on Moving beyond the Bible to Theology (Counterpoints: Bible and Theology)<\/a><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0310276551\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\" \/><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/em>. &nbsp;<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Let&#8217;s begin today with a question: <b>Do you think it is &#8220;biblical&#8221; to divorce on the grounds of either mental cruelty or physical abuse? &nbsp;How do you get from what the Bible says about divorce&#8217;s legitimate reasons to your &#8220;yes&#8221;? What does Vanhoozer&#8217;s theo-dramatic approach teach us about permissible grounds for divorce?<\/b><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>I asked a number of Bible folks in New Orleans last weekend the question above, and some said &#8220;No. Physical abuse is not permissible grounds for divorce.&#8221; Other said, &#8220;Of course&#8221; and some tried to cover physical abuse with &#8220;except for sexual immorality&#8221; in Matthew 5 (which I think is not a part of Matthew 5 but I appreciate the attempt to think biblically).&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Today we look at Kevin Vanhoozer&#8217;s proposal. Here&#8217;s an opening statement of his: &#8220;John the Baptist had to prepare the way of the Lord; our task is to <i>continue<\/i> it.&#8221; Here is the issue: what does it mean to &#8220;continue&#8221; and how do we &#8220;continue&#8221; the task in a way that is biblical and Spirit-led? In a way that reminds of William Webb&#8217;s approach, Vanhoozer criticizes AJ Jacobs for taking the letter seriously and not getting to the spirit of the letter.<\/div>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\nVanhoozer believes we have to use all the disciplines and the church in order to discern how to live biblically today. It begins by recognizing the theo-drama of the Bible: the Bible is Story in that it is a series of events that cohere and provide a lens through which Christians can think. In fact, aping words of the postmodernists, Kevin says it is theodrama &#8220;all the way down.&#8221;<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>The big difference between the redemptive-historical approach (he refers to Vos) and Vanhoozer&#8217;s theo-dramatic approach is that Vanhoozer&#8217;s focuses on our extending, continuing and participating (reverse order of course) in the biblical drama by performing that drama in our world today.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Vanhoozer&#8217;s known for clever lines (which are too often repeated); here&#8217;s one that sums his approach up: &#8220;the point is not to extract a principle through a <i>procedure<\/i> but to become a wiser <i>person<\/i>&nbsp;precisely by considering particular instances of canonical wisdom: not abstract truth but concrete wisdom-in-act&#8221; (158-159). Action is inherent to the canonical interpretation; the Bible is the Script that needs to be performed. Theology helps the church live out the Bible.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>On performance: we &#8220;unfold&#8221; what is &#8220;infolded&#8221; in the canonical text. Then Vanhoozer moves to improvisation: at Nicea repetition wasn&#8217;t enough; there had to be creative improvisation (homoousios).<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>There are five acts: creation, election of Israel, Christ, Church and consummation. We live in Act 4, not 2, 3 or 5. &nbsp;As the church moves forward to continue the drama it has the great tradition to guide it. The operative word for the church is &#8220;judgment.&#8221; It renders judgment on how to respond in its world.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Vanhoozer, unlike the other authors who were fixed on moral issues, explores theological issues &#8212; and he looks at Mary. He also looks at transsexuality.<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here are our big questions in this series of posts: How do we move beyond the Bible? Should we? Better yet: Since we have to, how do we move beyond the Bible into our world but do this biblically? 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