{"id":4494,"date":"2009-03-03T00:15:34","date_gmt":"2009-03-03T00:15:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2009\/03\/shane-hipps-on-community-and-b.html"},"modified":"2009-03-03T00:15:34","modified_gmt":"2009-03-03T00:15:34","slug":"shane-hipps-on-community-and-b","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2009\/03\/shane-hipps-on-community-and-b.html","title":{"rendered":"Shane Hipps on Community (and below it my response)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Scott thanks for all your comments and push back. Always appreciated.<\/p>\n<p>Clearly we&#8217;re playing with semantics here. I don&#8217;t say that <br \/>\ndismissively. Semantics matter&#8211;some times more than other times. I&#8217;ll <br \/>\nlet others judge whether it matters here. It may be that we agree <br \/>\nafter all.<\/p>\n<p>First, my language in the video was less nuanced than it might have <br \/>\nbeen in written form. That is my tendency in a spontaneous oral <br \/>\ninterview. I will try to be more precise here.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\nWhen I say that &#8220;virtual community&#8221; is not &#8220;community,&#8221; that does not <br \/>mean it has no value. As I indicated in the interview, I know that all <br \/>kinds of deeply meaningful connections and interactions happen online <br \/>all the time. I have experienced them myself. Some may want to call <br \/>this &#8220;community.&#8221; Fair enough. I just don&#8217;t call it &#8220;community.&#8221; That <br \/>is not intended to dismiss or demean any one&#8217;s experience online.<\/p>\n<p>I play with semantics in an effort to help us see that &#8220;virtual <br \/>community&#8221; and &#8220;unmediated community&#8221; are not interchangeable things. <br \/>In my opinion, one is actually better than the other. The reason is <br \/>that &#8220;virtual community&#8221; occurs primarily on one frequency of the <br \/>human experience. It is mostly a disembodied, and largely cognitive, <br \/>connection.&nbsp; This is not a bad thing, it&#8217;s just not as valuable as <br \/>unmediated community, which involves the entire range of the human <br \/>experience&#8211;physical, non-verbal, intuitive sense, subtle energies, <br \/>visual cues, acoustic tones, etc. These are extremely powerful things <br \/>that should not be quickly dismissed as &#8220;nice but not necessary.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Most of us see these ingredients as essential for healthy marriage and <br \/>parenting. It&#8217;s the reason no one extols the virtues of online <br \/>parenting or the value of sex with your spouse in a chat room rather <br \/>than a bedroom. The same is true of community. For me, community is a <br \/>sacred and powerful institution, and I prefer to treat it in the same <br \/>spirit as marriage or parenting.<\/p>\n<p>I guess what I&#8217;m saying is that virtual community is like playing the <br \/>guitar with one string. You can make music; it&#8217;s just not as <br \/>interesting or as good as music on a guitar with six strings.<\/p>\n<p>To observe that &#8220;real&#8221; community is worth more than &#8220;virtual&#8221; <br \/>community may seem rather obvious to some and thus not worth stating. &nbsp;<br \/>However, there is a growing legion of young people who can scarcely <br \/>tell the difference.&nbsp; A subsequent rift is emerging between parents <br \/>and teens because of this very issue.&nbsp; It will only become more <br \/>complex in the years to come.&nbsp; We gloss over this distinction at our <br \/>own risk.&nbsp; I hope that putting words to these things is actually <br \/>freeing for us.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, I&#8217;m not against virtual community anymore than I&#8217;m against <br \/>the wind and the tides; I&#8217;m just concerned that too many of us grant <br \/>it virtues it does not possess.&nbsp; This undo esteem can undermine the <br \/>profound and lasting impact of an incarnated and embodied Gospel.&nbsp; But <br \/>perhaps we agree on this point.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Scott thanks for all your comments and push back. 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