{"id":3350,"date":"2008-03-21T00:20:23","date_gmt":"2008-03-21T00:20:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2008\/03\/civility-5.html"},"modified":"2008-03-21T00:20:23","modified_gmt":"2008-03-21T00:20:23","slug":"civility-5","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2008\/03\/civility-5.html","title":{"rendered":"Civility 5"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>If Os Guinness, in his attempt to call the nation to public civility, can call the Religious Right to task for its rhetoric, he can do the same to the Left. In <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FCase-Civility-Why-Future-Depends%2Fdp%2F0061353434%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1204510044%26sr%3D1-2&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325\">The Case for Civility<\/a><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\" \/><\/em>, chp 5, Guinness says we must &#8220;Say No to the Naked Public Square.&#8221;<!--more|inline--><br \/>\nA &#8220;naked&#8221; public square is the hope of the liberal secularism.<br \/>\nGuinness remembers his student days when he encountered two world-famous atheists, Bertrand Russell and A.J. Ayer, both of whom were generous, good-natured, and reasonable. But with Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris (he doesn&#8217;t mention Christopher Hitchens since his book came out too late) those three attributes have been recklessly abandoned. Their lack of civil rhetoric ruins public discourse. &#8220;We are closer,&#8221; Guinness states, &#8220;to the wild atheism of Madalyn Murray O&#8217;Hair, back to barnyard debating, with ungrounded assertions, irresponsible accusations, ad hominem arguments, and reasoning that repeatedly slumps into ranting&#8221; (109).<br \/>\nHe sees both Dawkins and Harris trading in two sins: irrationality and intolerance. They want to ban religion from public discourse. This emerges out of secularism (the theory that religion is gradually dissappearing), radical political liberalism, and strict separationism &#8212; leading to what he calls &#8220;legal secularism.&#8221; Legal secularism lacks civility.<br \/>\nHe sees seven features in this kind of legal secularism:<br \/>\n1. It is unhistorical; this is not how America&#8217;s founders thought.<br \/>\n2. It is inconsistent: their worldview is only one among many &#8212; not the only one.<br \/>\n3. It is intolerant: their tolerance is intolerant of faith.<br \/>\n4. It is a denial of self-determination, the ground for rights and freedoms.<br \/>\n5. It is an undermining of cultural legitimacy and sustainable freedom. The free exercise of religion must be protected.<br \/>\n6. It is gradually appealing to judicial activism.<br \/>\n7. It produces unintended but illiberal consequences. Differences have become discriminations &#8212; when someone can&#8217;t believe something is wrong.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If Os Guinness, in his attempt to call the nation to public civility, can call the Religious Right to task for its rhetoric, he can do the same to the Left. 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