{"id":2702,"date":"2007-10-02T00:30:32","date_gmt":"2007-10-02T00:30:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2007\/10\/exgays-2.html"},"modified":"2007-10-02T00:30:32","modified_gmt":"2007-10-02T00:30:32","slug":"exgays-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2007\/10\/exgays-2.html","title":{"rendered":"Ex-Gays 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Stanton Jones and Mark Yarhouse&#8217;s book <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FEx-Gays-Longitudinal-Religiously-Mediated-Orientation%2Fdp%2F083082846X%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1190409359%26sr%3D1-1&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325\">Ex-Gays?<\/a><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important;margin:0px !important\" \/><\/em> discusses the controversy about a very specific issue and we want today to begin our series today by looking at chp 1: <!--more|inline--><br \/>\nThe consensus of the social-scientific community is that homosexuality (more nuance later) is the norm for some and that advocating or working for change in one&#8217;s orientation disorders the homosexual person and is harmful to that person. The social-scientific community believes the one who is distressed about his or her sexual orientation is disordered (sometimes for social pressure reasons).  J-Y&#8217;s study, the Exodus Project, examines a good number of religious persons who through religious means seek to change their sexual orientation. Overall they will conclude that there is some success, measured over a five-year period, of shifting one&#8217;s orientation. Their contention is that the scientific community too easily eliminates by presupposition elements important to some humans &#8212; religious faith &#8212; that need to be studied if one is concerned whether or not it is possible for sexual orientation to change.<br \/>\nAbout four decades ago homosexuality was seen as a disorder; today the shift leads to the conclusion that anyone who wants to change a homosexual person creates a disorder in the homosexual. The American Psychological Association argues that homosexuality is not changeable (16). J-Y contend that the APA has misspoken &#8212; some can change and some do change and some change as a result of religious means.<br \/>\nJ-Y discuss the relationship of science and religion at length, arguing for instance that all of our data are theory-laden (at least when they are interpreted or explained).<br \/>\nOn sexual orientation &#8212; extensive discussion again leading to three basic categories &#8212; and they are sensitive (so it seems to me) to the various terms used today:<br \/>\n1. Same-sex\/homosexual attraction: those who find sexual attraction to those of the same sex.<br \/>\n2. Same-sex\/homosexual orientation: those who are not only attracted to those of the same sex but how are persistently attracted to the same sex.<br \/>\n3. Gay identity: those whose orientation forms into a more overt identity with the gay community.<br \/>\nThey cite a study by Laumann that 6.2% males and 4.4% of females are #1; that 2.0\/0.9% have the orientation while less develop gay identity.<br \/>\nJ-Y&#8217;s conclusions are a self-confessed &#8220;anomaly&#8221; in the scientific community.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Stanton Jones and Mark Yarhouse&#8217;s book Ex-Gays? discusses the controversy about a very specific issue and we want today to begin our series today by looking at chp 1:<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":298,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[15],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2702","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-books"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Ex-Gays 2 - Jesus Creed<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2007\/10\/exgays-2.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Ex-Gays 2 - Jesus Creed\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Stanton Jones and Mark Yarhouse&#8217;s book Ex-Gays? 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