{"id":266,"date":"2005-08-02T20:38:00","date_gmt":"2005-08-02T20:38:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2005\/08\/postcalvinism-so-what.html"},"modified":"2005-08-02T20:38:00","modified_gmt":"2005-08-02T20:38:00","slug":"postcalvinism-so-what","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2005\/08\/postcalvinism-so-what.html","title":{"rendered":"Post-Calvinism: So what?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"clear:both\"><\/div>\n<p>What difference does it make, really, to be either Calvinist or Arminian in one&#8217;s interpretation of the Warning Passages of Hebrews? There are lots of ways to talk about &#8220;difference,&#8221; but at the level of concrete Christian living does it make all that much difference?<\/p>\n<p>I begin with this observation. It makes a huge difference for the contemporary Evangelical who believes in eternal security, assurance of faith, and that anyone who has received Christ cannot genuinely fall away. The slogan &#8220;once saved, always saved&#8221; is put into deep threat by the view of Hebrews I have offered.<\/p>\n<p>For the classical Calvinist and the Arminian &#8212; and I know this may sound like a bundle of hooey to many &#8212; there is precious little difference in this regard: <span style=\"font-style: italic\">both believe that perseverance is necessary<\/span>. Which means that both believe that only those who do follow through in their relationship will find that eternal rest.<\/p>\n<p>But, I have given you a bit of my own journey. Here&#8217;s what I noticed.<\/p>\n<p>First, I sensed a renewal of the sense of the <span style=\"font-style: italic\">fear of God<\/span> that is so prominent in Hebrews. Once I came to the conviction that a person, yea that I, could believe <span style=\"font-style: italic\">and<\/span> fall away, sin became more important and the prospect of falling away more realistic. Now don&#8217;t get me wrong, I don&#8217;t live in some morbid fear. Assurance accompanies faithfulness for both the Calvinist and the Arminian. Both, at least in my case, know that redemption is rooted in the saving powers of Christ and that faith &#8212; in the sense of faithfulness and trust &#8212; is required.<\/p>\n<p>Second, it influenced how I presented <span style=\"font-style: italic\">the gospel<\/span>. However one wants to present the gospel, through some tract or through personal story or through some piece of rational logic, the summons to believe for me is a summons to become a believer &#8212; not just to believe once and for all in a singular moment. The summons to perseverance is part and parcel of the summon to believe.<\/p>\n<p>Third, I am persuaded that holding to this view does not mean that I (or anyone who shares it with me) believes that I contribute to my own salvation. Instead, what this doctrine encourages me to do is to believe, to watch, and to persevere. It makes me more conscious of the need of grace and the power of the Holy Spirit.<\/p>\n<p>Fourth, and here I ask for your indulgence in a question I have asked for 20 years: is it possible that some biblical writers are more Arminian and some more Calvinist? If so, we&#8217;d have to ask in what the unity of Scripture consists. Does it consist in a systematic theology that somehow is behind everything said or does it consist in the essence of the gospel and the summons to live before God in the community of faith? That&#8217;s for another time, but this is an area that deserves to be explored.<\/p>\n<p>Before signing off for the evening, let me mention two pieces of reading that differ with me.<\/p>\n<p>T. Schreiner, A. Caneday, <span style=\"font-style: italic\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0830815554\/qid=1123034700\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/002-4128031-0199240?v=glance&amp;s=books\">The Race Set before Us<\/a>.<br \/><\/span><span style=\"font-style: italic\"><\/span><span style=\"font-style: italic\">T. Schreiner, B. Ware, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0801020034\/qid=1123034801\/sr=1-1\/ref=sr_1_1\/002-4128031-0199240?v=glance&amp;s=books\">The Grace of God and the Bondage of the Will<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>I will be doing some blogs on Top Ten Books in various areas and on the Lord&#8217;s Prayer as Love Prayer beginning tomorrow, and soon will do some blogs on &#8220;Generous (Evangelical) Orthodoxy.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I want to thank the many who have responded to this series. I sat on the idea awhile because I thought it could divide more than unite. What I do think is that an autobiographical approach is less divisive, though our differences do remain.<\/p>\n<div style=\"clear:both;padding-bottom: 0.25em\"><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What difference does it make, really, to be either Calvinist or Arminian in one&#8217;s interpretation of the Warning Passages of Hebrews? 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