{"id":257,"date":"2005-08-26T08:26:28","date_gmt":"2005-08-26T08:26:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2005\/08\/a-mild-case-for-inclusive-tran.html"},"modified":"2005-08-26T08:26:28","modified_gmt":"2005-08-26T08:26:28","slug":"a-mild-case-for-inclusive-tran","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2005\/08\/a-mild-case-for-inclusive-tran.html","title":{"rendered":"A Mild Case for Inclusive Translation"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In general, I believe most translations are fine &#8212; I can read the KJV and ASV and the NASB and NIV and the NLT and the NRSV and the ESV and even something as paraphrastic as <em>The Message<\/em> and say to myself, &#8220;That was good, it put some words in a new order and it gave nice expression to this Greek term or clause.&#8221; And I really mean this: we are not talking about dangerous vs. safe when we are dealing with the major translations available today. We need to keep this in mind.<!--more--><br \/>\nBut, in this short post I&#8217;d like to make a couple of comments about &#8220;gender inclusivity.&#8221; There are many of us today who seem to think this is an ugly ditch into which the insincere are falling, and I think it is worth some time blogging about it. I welcome comments that are conversational and respectful of views not always your own.<br \/>\nThe first one is this: there is no translation available that can completely capture what is said in Hebrew, in Aramaic, or in Greek. That is the way translation is: there is nearly always something subtle lost. There is no way to translate <em>Fahrvergnuegen<\/em> from German to English, and there is no way to translate the Hebrew word <em>ruach<\/em> (&#8220;spirit&#8221; roughly) or the Greek term <em>dikaiosune<\/em> (&#8220;righteousness, justice&#8221;). But, we do very well today by reading the Bible often and catching what spills out in the translation process &#8212; and there are commentaries and Study Notes in Bibles to help us out.<br \/>\nSecond, inclusive translation is designed for <em>public reading of the Scriptures<\/em>. Private study, especially if it is careful and exacting, is best done with a translation that facilitates that sort of study. (And, if you&#8217;ve got the time, it is worth learning the original languages.)<br \/>\nThird, the basic theory is this: let us include everyone if possible and let us not offend anyone unless necessary. It is one thing to translate <em>anthropos<\/em> (&#8220;man&#8221;) as &#8220;everyone&#8221; and quite another to translate &#8220;sin&#8221; as &#8220;our stresses in life&#8221; &#8212; not that I know any translation quite like that latter, but I know some who&#8217;d like to see it that way. The &#8220;if possible&#8221; is not a license but a disposition of a good translator.<br \/>\nFourth, I want to give a concrete example: in James 1:19 it says in the Greek (now a woodenly literal translation) &#8220;Take note of this my beloved <em>brothers<\/em>&#8221; and in 1:20 it says &#8220;the anger of <em>man<\/em> does not bring about the righteousness of God.&#8221;<br \/>\nTNIV: 1:19: &#8220;My dear brothers and sisters, take note&#8230;&#8221;<br \/>\nNRSV: 1:19: &#8220;You must understand this, my beloved&#8230;&#8221;<br \/>\nTNIV 1:20: &#8220;our anger does not produce the righteousness God desires&#8221;<br \/>\nNRSV 1:20: &#8220;for your anger does not produce God&#8217;s righteousness&#8221;<br \/>\nI&#8217;ll avoid the &#8220;righteousness\/justice&#8221; issue here.<br \/>\nWhat we should note is this: the Greek term the first time is <em>adelphos<\/em> (&#8220;brother&#8221;) and the second term is <em>aner<\/em> (&#8220;man&#8221;). On a scale, this last term refers pretty clearly to &#8220;males&#8221; whereas other terms move toward the generic (<em>anthropos<\/em> often being the most generic).<br \/>\nNotice that the TNIV made both inclusive; the NRSV only one. I suggest that both of these, in spite of their differences, meet the &#8220;theory&#8221; point above. Neither will offend and both will communicate the message of the text. (Don&#8217;t jump on me just yet. I&#8217;ve got another day on translation theory to go.)<br \/>\n<strong>My plea is this<\/strong>: if you think this text is <em>for all of us<\/em>, if you think the exhortations are f<em>or both males and females<\/em>, if you think it is not just male anger but also female anger that doesn&#8217;t bring about God&#8217;s righteousness or justice, <em>then an inclusive translation is warranted for public reading<\/em>. If you think this way, then public reading needs to reflect it. And I believe it is important to translate in such a way that needless offenses are not brought in &#8212; if justifiable.<br \/>\nThis all leads to one central question: &#8220;What does it mean to translate?&#8221; I&#8217;ll have some comments tomorrow.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In general, I believe most translations are fine &#8212; I can read the KJV and ASV and the NASB and NIV and the NLT and the NRSV and the ESV and even something as paraphrastic as The Message and say to myself, &#8220;That was good, it put some words in a new order and it&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":298,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[25],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-257","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-translations"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>A Mild Case for Inclusive Translation - Jesus Creed<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2005\/08\/a-mild-case-for-inclusive-tran.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"A Mild Case for Inclusive Translation - Jesus Creed\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"In general, I believe most translations are fine &#8212; 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