{"id":2001,"date":"2007-03-21T02:30:34","date_gmt":"2007-03-21T02:30:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2007\/03\/the-big-you-and-the-bible-2.html"},"modified":"2007-03-21T02:30:34","modified_gmt":"2007-03-21T02:30:34","slug":"the-big-you-and-the-bible-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2007\/03\/the-big-you-and-the-bible-2.html","title":{"rendered":"The Big &#8220;You&#8221; and the Bible 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Pastors, this one&#8217;s for you &#8212; non-pastors, this one&#8217;s also for you. Mark Powell&#8217;s book, <em>What Do They Hear?<\/em>, assumes a significant distinction between clergy and laity and, if you are in a reasonably traditional church, the assumption is a good one. Most importantly, Mark asks this question: How do clergy read a text when compared to how laity read the same text? The answer boggles. <!--more|inline--><br \/>\nHere&#8217;s the text. You read it. Then we&#8217;ll have a conversation.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1 The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus and 2 saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were \u201cunclean,\u201d thais, unwashed. 3 (The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles.*) 5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, \u201cWhy don&#8217;t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with \u2018unclean\u2019 hands?\u201d 6 He replied, \u201cIsaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: \u201c \u2018These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.7 They worship me in vain;their teachings are but rules taught by men.\u2019 8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Question: When you read this text, with which character did you empathize? With Jesus? With the disciples? With the Pharisees? With &#8220;other&#8221;?<br \/>\nHere&#8217;s the result of Mark&#8217;s own study; get ready to be shocked. 50 clergy; 50 laity.<br \/>\nEmpathy Choice (first number: Clergy; second number: Laity). Thus, 40 clergy identified with Jesus; 0 laity did.<br \/>\n1. Jesus                                    40                        0<br \/>\n2. Disciples                                 0                         24<br \/>\n3. Pharisees                                4                        18<br \/>\n4. Other                                     6                         8<br \/>\nWhich is a nice way of saying that by and large, from this sample (and all nuances aside), clergy empathize with Jesus and laity do not; clergy do not empathize with disciples but laity do; clergy do not empathize with Pharisees but laity do.<br \/>\nMark makes suggestions for pastors when preaching:<br \/>\n1. Cast the Scriptures: &#8220;cast&#8221; means as in a play. Preachers can play the roles of each character in their own reading of the Scriptures and notice the differences.<br \/>\n2. In preaching you might choose to identify with one character or another.<br \/>\n3. Allow for multiple responses to the text.<br \/>\nWhat is your response to this? I&#8217;ll be honest: I&#8217;m disappointed preachers don&#8217;t identify with being a disciple more; I&#8217;m concerned laity don&#8217;t empathize with the character of Jesus. What I&#8217;m shocked by is the absolute difference.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Pastors, this one&#8217;s for you &#8212; non-pastors, this one&#8217;s also for you. Mark Powell&#8217;s book, What Do They Hear?, assumes a significant distinction between clergy and laity and, if you are in a reasonably traditional church, the assumption is a good one. 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