{"id":1933,"date":"2007-03-05T02:30:34","date_gmt":"2007-03-05T02:30:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2007\/03\/are-catastrophes-gods-judgment-1.html"},"modified":"2007-03-05T02:30:34","modified_gmt":"2007-03-05T02:30:34","slug":"are-catastrophes-gods-judgment-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2007\/03\/are-catastrophes-gods-judgment-1.html","title":{"rendered":"Are Catastrophes God&#8217;s judgments? 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>According to Steven Keillor in his <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Gods-Judgments-Interpreting-History-Christian\/dp\/0830825657\/sr=1-1\/qid=1172674866\/ref=sr_1_1\/105-3050641-0633263?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books\">God&#8217;s Judgments<\/a>: Interpreting History and the Christian Faith<\/em>, the fundamental obstacle for Christians&#8217; interpreting historical events is the philosophical stance called &#8220;worldview.&#8221; Mark Noll writes the foreword and admits he&#8217;s a worldview thinker and Keillor&#8217;s got him thinking. <!--more|inline--><br \/>\nThe big book for worldview is by David Naugle, called <em>Worldview: The History of a Concept<\/em> (Eerdmans, 2002). Worldview, Keillor contends, has a blindspot when it comes to seeing God&#8217;s judgments in historical events. By the way, Keillor is not a clear writer. If he is against &#8220;worldview thinking,&#8221; I kept asking myself, what is &#8220;worldview thinking&#8221;?<br \/>\nIn worldview thinking, evil is talked about but without the concept of the Judge. This like talking about crime and not talking about a police force. He refers to this unwillingness to see catastrophe as judgment from God as the &#8220;agnostic gag rule.&#8221; In part, worldview emerges from the Enlightenment and therefore postmodernity&#8217;s critique of Enlightenment means critique of worldview.<br \/>\nAssuming we know what worldview thinking is, a cranky Keillor argues that worldview thinking &#8212; since it assumes the knowing self at the center of the universe &#8212; cannot come to grips with tragic history because it refuses to begin as a self under the judgment of God. Here&#8217;s his point: &#8220;The question confronting the self is how to escape God&#8217;s judgment, not whether a tree exists in reality or in the mind, or how the self can know if a tree exists or whether the word <em>tree<\/em> represents reality&#8221; (54).<br \/>\nThe Bible confronts us not as <em>testimony<\/em>, not worldview knowledge. Now we get something bordering on a definition of worldview thinking: &#8220;Worldview thinking stresses the knowing self that believes because it perceives the intellectual coherence of the Christian faith&#8221; (54). And &#8220;Belief is warranted [that&#8217;s a worldview term if there ever was one] due to the trustworthy character of the Testifier not because the testimony is so clearly true, even self-evident, as to form the conclusion to a syllogism&#8221; (54). [Dang if this doesn&#8217;t sound like Barth.]<br \/>\n&#8220;The Christian faith is not the knowing self&#8217;s worldview. It is God&#8217;s view of the helpless, guilty self&#8230;&#8221; (56). What warrants such faith is promise becoming event &#8212; ie fulfilled prophecy.<br \/>\nOn 9\/11: Falwell and Robertson focused on sins that anger them the most. Insted, &#8220;a more objective, cautious approach&#8221; will focus on actions of the USA and the West that anger both Islam and God.<br \/>\n1. US support for Israel? not adequate.<br \/>\n2. UN sanctions against Hussein&#8217;s Iraq? not adequate.<br \/>\n3. American troops in Saudi Arabia?<br \/>\n4. Globalization that enriches the West?<br \/>\nOur view of economy is Enlightenment stuff; not Scriptural. Rampant materialism.<br \/>\n5. Western culture is decadent? Yes, Islam and God are angered. Apostasy is found in Western culture.<br \/>\n6. The terrorists themselves? The <em>mujahideen<\/em> are the creation of the CIA. God is using one of our Cold War tools against us.<br \/>\n9\/11 is God&#8217;s judgment on the USA for materialism, cultural immoral exports, and our own use of terroristic guerrilla units.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>According to Steven Keillor in his God&#8217;s Judgments: Interpreting History and the Christian Faith, the fundamental obstacle for Christians&#8217; interpreting historical events is the philosophical stance called &#8220;worldview.&#8221; Mark Noll writes the foreword and admits he&#8217;s a worldview thinker and Keillor&#8217;s got him thinking.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":298,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[15],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1933","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-books"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Are Catastrophes God&#039;s judgments? 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