{"id":180,"date":"2005-07-12T16:56:00","date_gmt":"2005-07-12T16:56:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2005\/07\/postmodernity-and-the-atonemen-1.html"},"modified":"2005-07-12T16:56:00","modified_gmt":"2005-07-12T16:56:00","slug":"postmodernity-and-the-atonemen-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2005\/07\/postmodernity-and-the-atonemen-1.html","title":{"rendered":"Postmodernity and the Atonement"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"clear:both\"><\/div>\n<p>Along with many of my fellow bloggers, I grew up being told that Jesus died for my sins &#8212; in fact, that to die for my sins is the sole reason Jesus came to earth. Jesus&#8217; death for us is the atonement, and there are a host of theories: Irenaeus&#8217;s recapitulation theory, the classical ransom theory, Anselm&#8217;s satisfaction of divine honor theory, Abelard&#8217;s exemplary theory (if a theory at all), the Reformers&#8217; penal substitution theory, and Grotius&#8217; governmental theory (which no one seems to care about any more at all &#8212; though I&#8217;ve thought at times someone ought to pick it up for a little fun).<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been posting of late about the &#8220;posts&#8221; of postmodernity, and I want to offer you tonight a challenge to think about.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what we claim to be true: Jesus died <span style=\"font-style: italic\">for our sins<\/span> and he rose <span style=\"font-style: italic\">for our justification<\/span> (roughly Rom 4:25). I think it can be proven with historical methods (as if we needed them) that Jesus died; it can be demonstrated with pretty solid arguments &#8212; many have undertaken this task &#8212; that Jesus rose from the dead. It is not provable at the same level that he died, but his resurrection is the best explanation of the evidence.<\/p>\n<p>Now, here&#8217;s the challenge: how do we go about <span style=\"font-style: italic\">proving<\/span> that Jesus died <span style=\"font-style: italic\">for our sins<\/span>? We know he died, but how do we prove that his death actually <span style=\"font-style: italic\">did something<\/span> for our sins? To me, the entire issue of postmodernity presses in on this question and it is worth all of us looking at. To quote Anselm, &#8220;What do you think Boso?&#8221; (I pronounced that Bosso &#8212; but I&#8217;m unsure.)<\/p>\n<p>To respond to me, you will have to sign in to blogspot.com. So far as I know they won&#8217;t be calling you on the phone trying to get you to buy roses or give money to the police or anything like that. But, because I have some potshots from Anonymous bloggers who think they are above decency when it comes to how to disagree with others, I have clicked one of those boxes to make sure only named people can sign up. Again, I am asking for decency here &#8212; disagreement is fine. Try to avoid lengthy responses. I&#8217;ll do what I can tomorrow to respond.<\/p>\n<div style=\"clear:both;padding-bottom: 0.25em\"><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Along with many of my fellow bloggers, I grew up being told that Jesus died for my sins &#8212; in fact, that to die for my sins is the sole reason Jesus came to earth. 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