{"id":1387,"date":"2006-10-02T02:20:13","date_gmt":"2006-10-02T02:20:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2006\/10\/do-calvinists-understand-armin-3.html"},"modified":"2006-10-02T02:20:13","modified_gmt":"2006-10-02T02:20:13","slug":"do-calvinists-understand-armin-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2006\/10\/do-calvinists-understand-armin-3.html","title":{"rendered":"Do Calvinists understand Arminianism? 4"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In Roger Olson&#8217;s Arminian Theology, chp. 3, a 3d Myth is addressed: <em>that Arminianism is neither orthodox nor evangelical<\/em>. I cannot say that I have ever heard anyone say Arminians are not orthodox, but I have heard more than I care to admit say Arminians are not genuinely Protestant. Olson responds: <!--more|inline--><br \/>\nDo you hear Arminians accused of being unorthodox? non-Protestant? Or that they are &#8220;just barely Christians&#8221;?<br \/>\nFirst, he shows that Arminians are not Pelagian (who affirmed that humans had the natural and moral capacity to do God&#8217;s will apart from grace) and are not semi-Pelagian (which believes humans can exercise good will toward God apart from God&#8217;s special gracious assistance). Arminius repudiated Pelagius and semi-Pelagianism by affirming uniformly the absolute necessity of grace. The charge against Arminians &#8212; that they are not Protestants &#8212; stems from their rejection of absolute monergism.<br \/>\nSecond, Olson proves through clear citations that Arminians have an orthodox (high) view of Scripture &#8212; sola scriptura. (He illustrates from Arminius, Simon Episcopius, Wesley and others.) They also have an orthodox view of God and Christ &#8212; affirming that God&#8217;s essence and existence are one and the same, and Arminius affirms the monarchy of the Father (with Athanasius, Easterns, and Westerns), a view presently up for debate as a result of the Grudem and Giles debate.<br \/>\nThird, Olson &#8212; and he will defend this throughout the rest of the book &#8212; argues that Arminians are Protestant. However, some want to narrow &#8220;Protestant&#8221; to monergism and contend that justification by faith can&#8217;t be held consistently without affirming monergism. Such would exclude Melanchthon, Richard Hooker, and all the Anabaptists. True, monergism is found in Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Bucer, Cranmer and Knox &#8212; but not all Protestants held to monergism.<br \/>\nArminians clearly believe in &#8220;by grace alone and by faith alone.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In Roger Olson&#8217;s Arminian Theology, chp. 3, a 3d Myth is addressed: that Arminianism is neither orthodox nor evangelical. I cannot say that I have ever heard anyone say Arminians are not orthodox, but I have heard more than I care to admit say Arminians are not genuinely Protestant. 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