{"id":1214,"date":"2006-08-02T04:10:41","date_gmt":"2006-08-02T04:10:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2006\/08\/gods-spirit-testifies-with-our.html"},"modified":"2006-08-02T04:10:41","modified_gmt":"2006-08-02T04:10:41","slug":"gods-spirit-testifies-with-our","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2006\/08\/gods-spirit-testifies-with-our.html","title":{"rendered":"God&#8217;s Spirit testifies with our spirit"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Paul is willing to let the penny drop and one place he does is that the indicator that a person is God&#8217;s is if they have the Spirit &#8212; and one knows if one has the Spirit by the &#8220;witness of the Spirit with our spirit&#8221; (Rom 8:16).<!--more|inline--><br \/>\nFirst, Spirit indwellers call God &#8220;Abba, Father.&#8221; (One could get into some kind of debate here about whether or not this is appropriate in our day and age, but I have not found that debate to be anything other than a distraction from what both Jesus and Paul say: God is to be addressed as Father because the word &#8220;Father&#8221; says something true about God. God is not male; but God is in some ways &#8220;like a father&#8221; so &#8220;Father&#8221; is appropriate.)<br \/>\nSecond, calling God &#8220;Abba, Father&#8221; indicates that the Spirit is present. It&#8217;s a circle. So be it. It&#8217;s true, Paul says, so run the full circle.<br \/>\nThird, calling God &#8220;Abba, Father&#8221; indicates a personal, intimate relationship with God. (No footnote here to Jeremias or anyone else; it&#8217;s an old footnote.)<br \/>\nFourth, as Wright sums this up: &#8220;The Spirit&#8217;s very own self comes alongside our human spirit to bear witness that we are God&#8217;s children&#8221; (594).<br \/>\nSubjective? You bet. Possible to be mistaken? That too. Still true? 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