{"id":1151,"date":"2006-07-14T04:30:40","date_gmt":"2006-07-14T04:30:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2006\/07\/friday-is-for-friends-2.html"},"modified":"2006-07-14T04:30:40","modified_gmt":"2006-07-14T04:30:40","slug":"friday-is-for-friends-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2006\/07\/friday-is-for-friends-2.html","title":{"rendered":"Friday is for Friends 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Joseph Epstein&#8217;s <em>Friendship: An Expose<\/em> turns in chps 3 and 4 to two more topics: best friends and how to kill friendships. This is not a review or even a description, but the simple recording of some quotations and some thoughts. Respond to what strikes you.<!--more|inline--><br \/>\nOn best friends, those who bring you the most delight, etc., are chosen. In this chp. Epstein moves from Michel de Montaigne&#8217;s famous essay on his friendship to Epstein&#8217;s friendship with Edward Shil. The chp led me to reflect on what &#8220;best friend&#8221; means to me. Now, I&#8217;ve gone on record to say that my best friend is Kris, and because that is so, I don&#8217;t have a &#8220;best&#8221; friend as Epstein and others describe such. This is not a post on &#8220;wife&#8221; or &#8220;spouse,&#8221; so I&#8217;ll not get into a discussion of Kris here.<br \/>\nHaving relieved myself of the confession that I don&#8217;t have a best friend, I want to say that I do have one colleague who would be my best friend if our lives permitted it. Greg Clark, a philosopher at North Park, and I used to share schedules more and we shared proximity of offices &#8212; he would wander into my office, and I into his. I like being with Greg, and I think he likes being with me. He&#8217;s younger, he&#8217;s a philosopher (which I&#8217;m not, nor the son of one), and he lives in a Christian community. But, we like to talk about things &#8212; usually we agree and sometimes when we don&#8217;t, we discuss it long enough that one of us changes our minds.<br \/>\nBut, I teach on Tues and Thurs and Greg on MWF. He thinks of faculty meetings and other meetings as I do, so that means we both schedule our lives in such a way that we don&#8217;t even get to see one another at these meetings. We used to see one another more often, and sometimes I find myself in need of wandering into Greg&#8217;s office to chat &#8212; but he&#8217;s not there or I&#8217;m at home. But, it seems whenever we get together we are right back to where we were before.<br \/>\nWhen I was at TEDS I had a few colleagues who were much the same; I always coveted Murray Harris&#8217; counsel, and Grant Osborne and I chatted about our students and our colleagues and our writings, and Jim Speer and I found a common interest about sociology, and Kevin Vanhoozer, before he left for Scotland, was one with whom I talked some theology (what theology I knew). Those are the sorts of friends I have had at my schools.<br \/>\nEpstein makes a point about what kills friendships, but he saves it to the end, though you could feel it coming the whole chapter through: &#8220;Few things are likelier to kill a friendship quicker than a careful and strictly adhered-to theory of what qualities are needed in a friend.&#8221; I like this. I think a friend is what happens to two people who enjoy one another&#8217;s presence. Those who think friendships are about chiseling away the other person&#8217;s weaknesses will quickly wear one another out.<br \/>\nIn that chp. Epstein records this from <em>The New Yorker<\/em>: &#8220;How can I love my enemies,&#8221; a man said upon leaving church, &#8220;when I don&#8217;t even like my friends?&#8221;<br \/>\nAnd I&#8217;m with Epstein when he says he&#8217;s not for friendships that are all about sharing one&#8217;s feelings. It is contrary to much of what is fast becoming instinct in some Christians circles, but I&#8217;m of the same mind. Kris is the psychologist in this family; if someone wants to unload all of their emotions and start telling deep secrets and memories, then I&#8217;ll probably glass over at the eyes within a few minutes and they&#8217;ll find someone wearing a white jacket. Sure, students sometimes tell me these things, and I listen as well as I can, but that is not what I expect of my friends. If they want that, they&#8217;ll have to make friends with others.<br \/>\nAs for me and my friends, we enjoy being with one another.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Joseph Epstein&#8217;s Friendship: An Expose turns in chps 3 and 4 to two more topics: best friends and how to kill friendships. This is not a review or even a description, but the simple recording of some quotations and some thoughts. 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