{"id":1044,"date":"2006-06-08T05:51:07","date_gmt":"2006-06-08T05:51:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/jesuscreed\/2006\/06\/the-debate-about-mary-mother-o.html"},"modified":"2006-06-08T05:51:07","modified_gmt":"2006-06-08T05:51:07","slug":"the-debate-about-mary-mother-o","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/jesuscreed\/2006\/06\/the-debate-about-mary-mother-o.html","title":{"rendered":"The Debate about Mary, Mother of Jesus"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>What do you really think of Mary? Most Protestants know far too little about Mary, and often don&#8217;t even know that the Immaculate Conception (Mary&#8217;s) is not the same as the virginal conception (Jesus&#8217;). I expect to be posting occasionally about Mary in the next six months or so, <!--more|inline-->and I thought today I&#8217;d post a brief on the dialogue between evangelical-to-Roman Catholic convert Dwight Longenecker (from England) and his fellow Bob Jones graduate, Washington DC lawyer, David Gustafson. The book is called <em>Mary: A Catholic-Evangelical Debate<\/em>, and it is a good book.<br \/>\nWhat is your view of Mary or your experience with Mary, Marian devotion, or whatever?<br \/>\nI&#8217;m working on a project about Mary, but the one thing I want to avoid is the polemical debate between Catholics and Protestants over Mary. Longenecker and Gustafson (L&amp;G) do this so well it need not be done again. I want to write a piece that appropriates Mary (for Protestants) in a positive manner.<br \/>\nBut, there are some very important issues to discuss for any kind of meaningful dialogue, and L&amp;G have them all: what the Bible says, Mary as Mother &#8220;of God,&#8221; the virginal conception, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the &#8220;spouse of the Holy Spirit,&#8221; the immaculate conception, the glorious assumption, apparitions of Mary in history, the veneration of Mary, the holy rosary, Mary as co-redeemer and mediatrix and advocate.<br \/>\nEach of these topics is discussed in a back-and-forth discussion and debate. Gustafson is a conservative evangelical who has done lots of homework, and Longenecker is an enthusiastic participant in Marian devotion. It makes for a very good read. I commend them for it.<br \/>\nWhat first-time thinkers about Mary often learn is how early Marian theology developed. That second century document, Protevangelium James, sets the agenda for the entire development of Marian devotion.<br \/>\nIf you are looking for a book that sorts through these issues in a dialogical and respectful way, rather than either a polemical defense of one side only, this is the book.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What do you really think of Mary? Most Protestants know far too little about Mary, and often don&#8217;t even know that the Immaculate Conception (Mary&#8217;s) is not the same as the virginal conception (Jesus&#8217;). 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