{"id":1411,"date":"2007-10-11T10:43:58","date_gmt":"2007-10-11T10:43:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/godspolitics\/2007\/10\/devils-and-dust-how-we-learned.html"},"modified":"2007-10-11T10:43:58","modified_gmt":"2007-10-11T10:43:58","slug":"devils-and-dust-how-we-learned","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/godspolitics\/2007\/10\/devils-and-dust-how-we-learned.html","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;Devils and Dust&#8217;: How We Learned to Torture (by Brian McLaren)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sojo.net\/images\/blog\/071011_torture.jpg\" align=\"right\" hspace=\"10\" vspace=\"10\">In <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2007\/10\/04\/washington\/04interrogate.html\/\"><em>The New York Times<\/em> story<\/a> about the administration&#8217;s secret<br \/>\nauthorization of torture, one sentence is particularly chilling: &#8220;With<br \/>\nvirtually no experience in interrogations, the CIA had constructed<br \/>\nits program in a few harried months by consulting Egyptian and Saudi<br \/>\nintelligence officials and copying Soviet interrogation methods long<br \/>\nused in training American servicemen to withstand capture.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Copying tactics used by Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the former Soviet<br \/>\nUnion &#8230; what does this say about our nation&#8217;s trajectory? Since<br \/>\nreading those words last week, I can&#8217;t keep <a href=\"http:\/\/www.brucespringsteen.net\/songs\/DevilsDust.html\">Bruce Springsteen&#8217;s song<\/a><br \/>\nout of my head. First, he echoes what many<br \/>\nAmericans might say in response to the secret authorization of<br \/>\ntorture:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Well I&#8217;ve got God on my side<br \/>\nAnd I&#8217;m just trying to survive.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>But then he raises this question:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>What if what you do to survive<br \/>\nKills the things you love?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Springsteen then concludes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Fear&#8217;s a dangerous thing.<br \/>\nIt can turn your heart black you can trust.<br \/>\nIt&#8217;ll take your God-filled soul<br \/>\nFill it with devils and dust.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Springsteen&#8217;s words have me praying for<br \/>\nour nation today: Lord, have mercy. Lord, have mercy. Lord, have<br \/>\nmercy.<br \/>\n<P><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sojo.net\/images\/blog\/portrait_mclaren.jpg\" align=\"left\" hspace=\"10\"><STRONG>Brian McLaren&#8217;s<\/STRONG> new book, <EM><A href=\"http:\/\/www.powells.com\/partner\/29218\/biblio\/0849901839\">Everything Must Change: Jesus, Global Crises, and a Revolution of Hope<\/A>,<\/EM> was released last Tuesday.<\/P><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In The New York Times story about the administration&#8217;s secret authorization of torture, one sentence is particularly chilling: &#8220;With virtually no experience in interrogations, the CIA had constructed its program in a few harried months by consulting Egyptian and Saudi intelligence officials and copying Soviet interrogation methods long used in training American servicemen to withstand&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":98,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[47],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1411","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-torture"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - 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