{"id":139,"date":"2008-03-14T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2008-03-14T04:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/fearofwhales\/2008\/03\/rock-paper-apologetics.html"},"modified":"2011-04-23T21:34:54","modified_gmt":"2011-04-24T01:34:54","slug":"rock-paper-apologetics","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/fearofwhales\/2008\/03\/rock-paper-apologetics.html","title":{"rendered":"Rock, Paper, Apologetics"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/ryangaffney.files.wordpress.com\/2008\/03\/rockpaper.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\" class=\"alignright at-xid-6a014e87f1cb84970d01538dfeac89970b\" height=\"300\" src=\"https:\/\/fearofwhales.typepad.com\/.a\/6a014e87f1cb84970d01538dfeac89970b-pi\" style=\"border:0 none\" width=\"300\" \/><\/a>In  my short life I\u2019ve done considerable study of the Christian based  religions that deviate from the ecumenically agreed upon orthodoxy. In  other words, \u201ccults\u201d<br \/>\nI\u2019ve spent quite a bit of time on Mormonism  in particular, but also looked closely into Local Church International,  Christian science, And the Jehovah\u2019s Witness movement.<br \/>\nThere are a  lot of things that are wrong with their individual doctrines, but they  are fascinating because of their strengths. Each of these religions is  tailor made to exploit the weaknesses and difficulties associated with  modern Christianity.<br \/>\nNow I understand I\u2019m in trouble, with anyone  who may be reading from one of these groups, but seriously, Joseph  Smith, Marry Baker Eddy, Miller, and Lee, were all very familiar with  the expressions of Christianity in their days and the doctrines of their  religions address the visible problems.<br \/>\nSmith, according to LDS  scripture, was told by God that no church was right and he should start  his own, in order to fix it. Miller set about to answer the burning  desire Christians had in his day for specifics about the end of the  world, so he set a date.<br \/>\nSo on and so fourth.<br \/>\nThese are things that get used in their evangelism to Protestants regularly.<br \/>\nSo  as protestants when we come up against the doctrines of  these  Christian based religions, we face an opponent that smells our fear, one  that was born for the very purpose of defeating us doctrinally.<br \/>\nOf  course we still have the advantage, you know, being right and all, but  we are fighting one their home field and it makes the battle harder than  it needs to be.<br \/>\nFor years the Christian tactic has been to do  what I\u2019ve done, to study each tradition extensively, try to know their  weaknesses as well as they know ours, and use the things that their  leaders failed to understand about our doctrine to draw them in.<br \/>\nBut  that\u2019s an immense user of resources, especially considering that we  aren\u2019t just facing one religion but several, that we now have to  research.<br \/>\nIt renders smaller \u201ccults\u201d like the Boson Church of  Christ almost invulnerable to  criticism from mainstream protestants,  who simply don\u2019t have time to teach classes in discussions with cults of  under 20,000 members.<br \/>\nBut I\u2019ve got another idea.<br \/>\nThere  people writing arguments which apply directly to adherents of these  traditions. Arguments that exploit their weaknesses. They focus on   religions that control people through teachings against doubt, pietism,  and submission theology.<br \/>\nSome of the arguments are really good, even devastating to these teachings. We could really benefit from using them.<br \/>\nBut we never do\u2026We don\u2019t like the people who write these arguments\u2026We don\u2019t want to take a page out of their book<br \/>\nBut we should\u2026 They\u2019re smart.<br \/>\nThey\u2019re called the atheists.<br \/>\nThe Romans occasionally hired enemies of theirs to fight other enemies of theirs.<br \/>\nDawkins, Carrier, the old Flew\u2026 They can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that these gods don\u2019t exist.<br \/>\nVending machine gods that dish out rewards in direct correlation to your actions\u2026 Don\u2019t Exist.<br \/>\nGods that function within and only within established human organizations\u2026 Do Not Exist.<br \/>\nMagical father figures that make all your doubts and questions go away for ever\u2026 Don\u2019t Exist!<br \/>\nThey aren\u2019t real<br \/>\nAnd we can prove it.<br \/>\nIf  you prove to a person that the god they believe in does not exist,  everything else follows. Their theology will crumble to dust.<br \/>\nThe disadvantage is that you\u2019ll make atheists of them.<br \/>\nOf  course.. when you are talking to an atheist\u2026 you know exactly how to  handle them. There\u2019s no obscure doctrines to memorize, there\u2019s no  important history. They just don\u2019t believe.<br \/>\nSome of them have good reasons. They have been convinced through some really persuasive means to stop believing in god.<br \/>\nBut the god they don\u2019t believe in is one we don\u2019t believe in either.<br \/>\nSo\u2026 What if I were to find a watch?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In my short life I\u2019ve done considerable study of the Christian based religions that deviate from the ecumenically agreed upon orthodoxy. 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