{"id":256,"date":"2009-12-12T15:15:46","date_gmt":"2009-12-12T15:15:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/everydayethics\/2009\/12\/can-there-be-morals-without-religion.html"},"modified":"2009-12-12T15:15:46","modified_gmt":"2009-12-12T15:15:46","slug":"can-there-be-morals-without-religion","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/everydayethics\/2009\/12\/can-there-be-morals-without-religion.html","title":{"rendered":"Can There Be Morals Without Religion?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#262626\">One of our regular<br \/>\ncommenters, Steve Allen, recently wrote the following in response to <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/everydayethics\/2009\/12\/buying-your-childs-gender-would-you-do-it.html\">Paddy&#8217;s post about buying the gender of your child<\/a>:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:.5in\"><span>To my way of thinking, we are EITHER<br \/>\naccidental accumulations of atoms, and our actions and experiences are without<br \/>\nmoral weight, OR &#8220;faith&#8221; as you put it, (ie that we were created by<br \/>\nGod) has a place, and our actions and experiences do matter.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:.5in\"><span>I cannot see the logic of the person who<br \/>\nasserts both that we evolved from the primordial soup and that we have any<br \/>\nmoral obligations to anyone at all.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:.5in\"><span>Personally, I am of the latter view &#8211;<br \/>\nthat we are ultimately accountable to the god who created us &#8211; and that means I<br \/>\nwould always let him choose the gender of my children, and that I&#8217;m pro-life.<br \/>\nThat&#8217;s because I believe he knows better than I do.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span>I just had to respond, as I think this is one of the biggest and best questions this blog can address. First, Steve, I thank<br \/>\nyou for your thoughtful and ongoing contributions. Second, I heartily disagree.<br \/>\nI&#8217;ll explain my reasoning below, but first I&#8217;d like to encourage other readers<br \/>\nof this blog to weigh in, since this is such a central issue in the theory of ethics. I would<br \/>\nreally like to hear some other thoughts on the topic.<\/span><span style=\"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#262626\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span>For myself, I see<br \/>\nethics as easily separable from religion. Steve argues, if I&#8217;m understanding him aright, that we are accountable<br \/>\nultimately to God, and that that is the only true source of our morality and moral<br \/>\nobligations. Without a supreme being, our actions are meaningless: &#8216;without moral weight&#8217;. If we are accidental, we have no need to concern ourselves with ethics.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span>I would argue, on the contrary, that our accountability to our fellow humans quite<br \/>\nsuffices to encourage our desire to behave in ways that ensure society functions<br \/>\nproperly. But more than that, I believe it&#8217;s in our nature as humans to want to<br \/>\ndo good (as well as bad).&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family: Arial, helvetica, hirakakupro-w3, osaka, 'ms pgothic', sans-serif\">I&#8217;m cynical enough to believe &#8216;good&#8217; is a human construct, not an absolute, but I&#8217;m also hopeful enough about humanity to rest assured we all have something in us that responds to fairness, kindness, and a desire to treat others as we&#8217;d like to be treated. I believe right and wrong don&#8217;t have to be handed down from on high to have a place in our conduct.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\">Without bringing thousands of years of philosophy into play (heck, we all know we could start with&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Republic_(Plato)\">Plato&#8217;s Republic<\/a>&nbsp;and go on from there), I&#8217;ll just say that, for me, I choose to do what&#8217;s &#8216;right&#8217; out of love for my fellow man, not because I fear being judged after death, and not for any particularly spiritual reason. I just respect and cooperate with others with whom I share space on this precious planet from an instinctive and yet carefully cultivated place in my consciousness that responds to my sense of what&#8217;s honorable and just. Whether it&#8217;s more universal than that &#8211; whether an absolute justice exists &#8211; doesn&#8217;t really matter to me.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\"><b><i>How about you? What forms the central font of your moral code?<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\"><b><\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For myself, I see ethics as easily separable from religion. Steve argues, if I&#8217;m understanding him aright, that we are accountable ultimately to God, and that that is the only true source of our morality and moral obligations. Without a supreme being, our actions are meaningless: &#8216;without moral weight&#8217;. 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