{"id":175,"date":"2009-09-15T12:22:27","date_gmt":"2009-09-15T12:22:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/everydayethics\/2009\/09\/kanye-west-serena-williams-joe-you-lie-wilson-a-trifecta-of-public-figure-tantrums.html"},"modified":"2009-09-15T12:22:27","modified_gmt":"2009-09-15T12:22:27","slug":"kanye-west-serena-williams-joe-you-lie-wilson-a-trifecta-of-public-figure-tantrums","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/everydayethics\/2009\/09\/kanye-west-serena-williams-joe-you-lie-wilson-a-trifecta-of-public-figure-tantrums.html","title":{"rendered":"Kanye West, Serena Williams, Joe &#8220;You lie&#8221; Wilson: A Trifecta of Public Figure Tantrums"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family: Arial, helvetica, hirakakupro-w3, osaka, 'ms pgothic', sans-serif\">Paddy and I thought we&#8217;d toss in our two cents on the whole<br \/>\ncivility debate. After all, we&#8217;d hardly be an &#8220;Everyday Ethics&#8221; blog if we didn&#8217;t<br \/>\nhave an opinion on everyday cultural behavior trends. So here goes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><b><span style=\"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial\">Hillary<\/span><\/b><span style=\"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial\">: The<br \/>\ncountry&#8217;s buzzing with the news. The blogosphere is awash with disapproval. We&#8217;re<br \/>\nall aghast: People are being rude! In public! In outlets and in settings where<br \/>\nthey&#8217;d only ever been moderately inappropriate before! Our culture is <i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.urbandictionary.com\/define.php?term=farkakte\">farkakte<\/a><\/i>,<br \/>\nwe&#8217;re all going down the tubes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial\">Yeah, I think that&#8217;s about right.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial\">Now, I feel that others in other forums have <a href=\"http:\/\/www.latimes.com\/news\/opinion\/la-oe-rodriguez14-2009sep14,0,3164249.column\">said<br \/>\nit better<\/a>. They&#8217;ve certainly <a href=\"http:\/\/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com\/2009\/09\/14\/is-it-because-hes-black\/\">made<br \/>\nmore passionate arguments<\/a> than I&#8217;m capable of penning on the subject of our<br \/>\ndeclining moral values. Here on this humble lay-person&#8217;s blog, I&#8217;ll just add<br \/>\nthis: I think in these last couple generations, we&#8217;ve been indulged a lot by<br \/>\nparents who&#8217;ve told us our every last brain-dropping was worth hearing. And<br \/>\nthat we have a right to be heard <i>first<\/i>,<br \/>\nbecause we&#8217;re special, precious, and wonderful. So, nobody else deserves<br \/>\nespecial respect, because, well, <i>we<\/i><br \/>\nhave a thought, and <i>we<\/i> want to share!<br \/>\nHow dare anyone else cross us, get in our way, or even make the mistake of<br \/>\ndoing their jobs, speaking their mind, or accepting an award? Even if they&#8217;re<br \/>\nthe President, a line-judge whose <i>job<\/i><br \/>\nit is to make calls, or a totally baffled performer on a stage you just happen<br \/>\nto want to upstage, these days many of us seem to think <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Love-Family\/Family-Values-Toolkit\/Family-Values-respect.aspx\">respect<\/a><br \/>\nis obsolete. Sure, there&#8217;s that old saw about &#8220;respect has to be <i>eaaaarned<\/i>,&#8221; but how can it be earned if<br \/>\nyou won&#8217;t shut up long enough to listen to what the person has to say?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: Arial\">I like my pet theory about this generational disconnect. It makes a certain amount of sense to me. I grew up with a lot of these &#8220;masters of the universe&#8221; types who were handed the world on a silver platter and have used that platter to whack other people over the head ever since. However, I&#8217;m not sure we can apply my amateur psychology to Joe Wilson, who not only is of a prior generation than the Kanyes and the Serenas of the world, but also was a military man, and ought to have had at least some discipline drummed into him during his years of service. For him, the incivility displayed seems to come from a deeper place. Racism? Maybe. It&#8217;s&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2009\/09\/13\/opinion\/13dowd.html?_r=1&amp;em\">been argued<\/a>, certainly. But I say, you can&#8217;t go wrong guessing politics. Who knows what new moral depths a politician will plumb in service of his reelection campaign?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: Arial\">_____________________________________________________________________________<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\"><b><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: Arial\">Paddy<\/span><\/b><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: Arial\">: On another note, you know what continues to amaze me in the ongoing dialogue about this trifecta of disrespect? The justifications and rationalizations and comparisons by those doing the pontificating and analyzing and commenting.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: Arial\">What I dislike even more than showing disrespect is the art of making excuses. I liken it to my 7-year-old self who, when being punished for whatever crime, could not seem to stop herself from whining and tattling on her big brother, &#8220;But HE hit me&nbsp;<i>fiiiirst<\/i>!&#8221; The inevitable reply from our beleaguered mother was, &#8220;Does that make it okay for you to hit him then? No.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: Arial\">So what&#8217;s with the, &#8220;McEnroe always did it,&#8221; and &#8220;The left always booed Bush&#8221;? Even those who don&#8217;t necessarily condone the behavior of Wilson, Williams, and West seem unable to stop comparing it to another&#8217;s behavior as a means of justification.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: Arial\">Bad behavior isn&#8217;t a scorecard &#8211; we need to quit muddying up what happened with what has happened before. I&#8217;m not saying we need to disregard precedent and history; however, surely there is a line between learning from the past and using it to make whiney excuses.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em;font-weight: normal\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;font-family: Arial\">Grow up, people, I say. Bring back the age of the sincere, forthright apology that does not end with &#8220;but&#8221; as a transition into excuse-making.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em\"><b><i>What do you-all think, folks? Are we all just a bunch of hopeless rabble, or can we regain our respect for one another? And if so, how? (Beliefnet&#8217;s got some new features on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Love-Family\/Family-Values-Toolkit\/Family-Values-respect.aspx\">teaching kids respect<\/a>, by the way, if you want to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/Love-Family\/Family-Values-Toolkit\/index.aspx\">check them out<\/a>.)<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em\"><b><i><br \/><\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em\"><b><i><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: normal;font-weight: normal\"><strong>Subscribe to receive updates from Everyday Ethics or&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/EverydayEthics\">follow us on&nbsp;Twitter<\/a>!<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 0.75em;margin-left: 0px;border-top-width: 0px;border-right-width: 0px;border-bottom-width: 0px;border-left-width: 0px;border-style: initial;border-color: initial;padding-top: 0px;padding-right: 0px;padding-bottom: 0px;padding-left: 0px;font-size: 1em\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Paddy and I thought we&#8217;d toss in our two cents on the whole civility debate. 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