{"id":142,"date":"2009-08-22T11:28:10","date_gmt":"2009-08-22T11:28:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/everydayethics\/2009\/08\/scam-alert-not-so-forgiving-when-it-happens-to-me.html"},"modified":"2009-08-22T11:28:10","modified_gmt":"2009-08-22T11:28:10","slug":"scam-alert-not-so-forgiving-when-it-happens-to-me","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/everydayethics\/2009\/08\/scam-alert-not-so-forgiving-when-it-happens-to-me.html","title":{"rendered":"Scam Artists, Fear My Wrath"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.merriam-webster.com\/dictionary\/comeuppance\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"images.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/200\/import\/assets_c\/2009\/08\/images-thumb-111x118-7316.jpg\" class=\"mt-image-left\" style=\"margin: 0pt 20px 20px 0pt;float: left\" height=\"118\" width=\"111\" \/><\/a><\/span><a href=\"\/\/www.merriam-webster.com\/dictionary\/comeuppance%29\">Comeuppance<\/a>: a deserved rebuke or penalty.<\/p>\n<p>Well. I certainly got mine. <\/p>\n<p>I think I can safely say I&#8217;ve never intentionally been patronizing or condescending in my quest to solve my own, and others&#8217;, ethical dilemmas. However, we often forget that intentions are all well and good until we get our own comeuppance.<\/p>\n<p>Telemarketers &#8212;<i>that&#8217;s<\/i> where I&#8217;ll eat my words.<\/p>\n<p>Once upon a time, I disagreed with Hillary on a post, when she asked if being <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/everydayethics\/2009\/07\/being-mean-to-telemarketers-unethical-or-understandable_comments.html\">mean to telemarketers was unethical or understandable<\/a>. I commented on the post and said,<i> &#8220;Well, I get pretty irritated as well, but&#8230;my mom worked for a call center when my father was too ill to work&#8230;.And it breaks my heart to think of people being mean to her when she was just trying to do her job. &#8220;<\/i><\/p>\n<p>To be fair, the incident I&#8217;m about to share wasn&#8217;t so much about telemarketing. This was straight-up terror tactics. Being a reasonably intelligent woman, I am still surprised at my naivet\u00e9 and gullibility. <\/p>\n<p>During an already stressful, busy week when I was exhausted and borderline-ill, I received a voicemail at work &#8211; an attorney&#8217;s office. Curious, but not yet worried, I called &#8220;John&#8221; back.&nbsp; After identifying myself and explaining that I&#8217;d received a call from their office, I was told that I had a lawsuit pending against me for an unpaid debt\/loan and that they needed my attorney&#8217;s information in order to file the court paperwork.<\/p>\n<p>Instant nausea, fear, lightheadedness. I tried to stay cool. Debt? What loan? Lawsuit? Why didn&#8217;t I know anything about this? The man on the line explained to me that as they represented so many loan associations, it would be a conflict of interest for him to tell me <i>who<\/i> was bringing this lawsuit against me.&nbsp; Sitting here now, with a clear head, I see this for the outrageous statement that it is.<\/p>\n<p>However, I am admittedly the most absentminded person in the known universe when it comes to paying the bills.&nbsp; I&#8217;m often forgetful, I&#8217;m often late, and I&#8217;ve worked hard to train myself in every way possible to compensate for this deficiency (Google calendar reminders, phone reminders, automatic deductions, etc). I&#8217;ve certainly made strides, but on top of past &#8220;ohcrapIforgottopaymyphonebill&#8217;s&#8221; I&#8217;ve also had about 4 different addresses in the last year &#8211; one of which was in a tiny corner of Thailand. As I quaked in my shoes at the thought of an imminent lawsuit, I thought it completely possible that I&#8217;d never received the final notice on some random payment and some unknown other was about to sue my pants off.<\/p>\n<p>Again, I tried to stay calm. I explained to the man that I would be happy to pay whatever I owed (approximately $1000) but I needed some assurance that this was a legitimate request.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s when he got threatening.&nbsp; He told me I would lose my job once the lawsuit was filed. I would lose my house. Best yet, <i>he told me they would take my children away.<\/i> I am baby-free at the moment, but I can only imagine how scared and angry I would have been if I had children and some stranger threatened to take them away!<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\nThis went on for a while; I missed a meeting at work, I was at the end<br \/>\nof my rope, my hands were shaking. Finally, I was ready to say, fine,<br \/>\nhere&#8217;s my card number, I&#8217;ll pay this off, whatever this is. <\/p>\n<p>I went back to my desk (I&#8217;d been trying to keep the conversation away<br \/>\nfrom my coworkers) ostensibly for the credit card in my wallet, but really for computer<br \/>\naccess. I asked him to spell out the name of this so-called company for<br \/>\nmy records, and typed it into Google. The screen immediately filled<br \/>\nwith scam\/fraud alert warnings, top to bottom, all describing my<br \/>\nsituation almost verbatim.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Um, sir,&#8221; I said into the phone, &#8220;I just Googled you? And yeah, this is a scam.&#8221; <i>Click<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>Illegal? Yes. Unethical? Hell yes!&nbsp; <\/p>\n<p>From what I&#8217;ve gathered doing my detective work online, these calls are<br \/>\noriginating from some sweatshop in India. And yes, my own Indian<br \/>\nethnicity probably made me a bit more susceptible in believing that<br \/>\nthis was a legitimate paralegal from a legitimate legal office. I don&#8217;t<br \/>\ntend to believe that something is a scam simply because the person I&#8217;m<br \/>\nspeaking with has an Indian accent. Half the people I know have Indian<br \/>\naccents.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;In the immediate aftermath of the call, I was all about reporting the<br \/>\ncompany to the Attorney General&#8217;s Office, Federal Trade Commission, and<br \/>\nBetter Business Bureau. Then I really got mad. Not so much at this<br \/>\nfaceless company, but at &#8220;John&#8221;. Who was this man? Why did he think it<br \/>\nwas ok to terrorize people to make a buck? How could he do that to <i>me<\/i>?<\/p>\n<p>This is why, two days later, much calmer, I say I got my comeuppance. I<br \/>\nwas once so quick to pooh-pooh Hillary&#8217;s frustration with<br \/>\ntelemarketers&#8230;<i>&#8220;You don&#8217;t know who these people are&#8230;their personal<br \/>\nlives could have driven them to this&#8230;don&#8217;t judge.&#8221;<\/i> <\/p>\n<p>This is a different situation (scam vs. telemarketing) but I&#8217;m eating<br \/>\nmy words for breakfast today. I know who this person is &#8211; scum. I don&#8217;t<br \/>\ncare what is going on in his life &#8211; it was completely unethical for him<br \/>\nto take part in this scam. And judgment? Yep, I judge him.<\/p>\n<p>For your reference, the name of the company is <b>Federal<br \/>\nLegislation of Unsecured Loans<\/b>. Be warned. (I feel completely<br \/>\nridiculous for falling for a scam with a name so obviously bogus, but I<br \/>\nguess the words &#8220;Federal&#8221; and &#8220;Loans&#8221; got to me.)<\/p>\n<p><b><i><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-style: normal\">Subscribe to receive updates from Everyday Ethics or&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/EverydayEthics\">follow us on&nbsp;Twitter<\/a>!<\/span><\/i><\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Comeuppance: a deserved rebuke or penalty. Well. I certainly got mine. I think I can safely say I&#8217;ve never intentionally been patronizing or condescending in my quest to solve my own, and others&#8217;, ethical dilemmas. However, we often forget that intentions are all well and good until we get our own comeuppance. 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