{"id":314,"date":"2015-07-27T02:30:05","date_gmt":"2015-07-27T02:30:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/cutthecrapspirituality\/?p=314"},"modified":"2015-06-19T20:00:51","modified_gmt":"2015-06-19T20:00:51","slug":"god-does-not-care-about-our-results","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/cutthecrapspirituality\/2015\/07\/god-does-not-care-about-our-results.html","title":{"rendered":"God Does Not Care About Our Results"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>How many times have we uttered or heard the following phrases?<\/p>\n<p>It was God\u2019s will for that to happen.   It was only through God\u2019s grace that I was saved from the accident.   We must honor a loving God who cured your illness.  Thank you God for keeping us out of harm\u2019s way.<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s cut the crap, and be honest with ourselves.    If God is responsible for the \u201cgood\u201d stuff, God must also be responsible for the \u201cbad\u201d stuff.<br \/>\nIf God is good and all powerful, how can it be that God\u2019s grace is bestowed upon some while others are left out in the cold?   Why is it that some are saved or cured through God\u2019s grace while others are stuck with disabling diseases or die horrific deaths?<\/p>\n<p>There are four possible reasons: <\/p>\n<p>There is no God and it is just random stuff happening.<\/p>\n<p>God may be there but is uninvolved.<\/p>\n<p>God is playing favorites.<\/p>\n<p>God doesn\u2019t care about our results.<\/p>\n<p>Atheism believes the first.   Stuff just happens \u2013 It\u2019s random, and we need to deal with it.  Agnosticism believes the second.  We don\u2019t know whether God exists, but in any event God seems uninvolved.   Religions all around the world believe the third.  \u201cThey\u201d are God\u2019s chosen people \u2013 \u201cThey\u201d understand the one true path to God, and have been bestowed with the \u201cright\u201d formula for God\u2019s grace.  This is the same \u201cfavoritism\u201d that is often used to justify war, violence and condemnation.<\/p>\n<p>So where does that leave the fourth?   There is a spiritual philosophy, called process theology, that believes God is interested, not in the results, but the process.   That God created life to experience itself through us.  God is the energy behind the birth, change and death cycle \u2013 energy that cannot be created nor destroyed, but simply made to appear that way through the process of change.   God doesn\u2019t care about the \u201cgood\u201d and the \u201cbad\u201d because they are not \u201creal.\u201d   They are labels created by humans who are attached to results.  <\/p>\n<p>It is nonsensical to me that those who believe in a loving God that created life also believe in a God that cares about results.   If God invented the life process, God invented \u201cdeath.\u201d   If God invented death, God invented change.  We know that sickness is part of the death process.   We know that ups and downs are part of the change process.  So why are we thanking God when those things are delayed from occurring?   Why do we say it is God\u2019s will that the inevitable did not happen at that moment?  <\/p>\n<p>We need to be honest with ourselves.   God does not care about results.     It is we who do.    It is we who have labeled things \u201cgood,\u201d and it is we who have labeled things \u201cbad.\u201d   It is we who are attached to results.  And maybe, just maybe that has something to do with our inability to experience \u201con Earth as it is in heaven.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>All that being said, however, there is a scenario where God cares about results.   But it may not be the \u201cGod\u201d you are accustomed to.    Tune in next time for that one.<\/p>\n<p>Timothy Velner is a husband, father, attorney and author living in Minneapolis.  You can follow his daily blog \u2013 a series of discussions between the worry-self and the present-self at &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/thespiritualgym.me\" target=\"_blank\">thespiritualgym.me<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How many times have we uttered or heard the following phrases? It was God\u2019s will for that to happen. It was only through God\u2019s grace that I was saved from the accident. We must honor a loving God who cured your illness. Thank you God for keeping us out of harm\u2019s way. 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I remember on those Sundays righteously thinking \u2013 I\u2019ve got my crap together. All my friends are at home sleeping, and when it all comes to an end, I\u2019ll be standing tall. After college I continued to trudge through life dotting my i\u2019s and crossing my t\u2019s \u2013 all on my way toward a supposed happy ending. Through the early part of law school I continued with church every Sunday and even picked up a teaching gig \u2013 Wednesday-night catechism. I was checking boxes and nothing was going to stand in my way \u2013 double-toothpicks would never know the likes of me. As time went on in law school, however, things slowly began to change. Training to be an attorney required that I to pay attention to my words and actions. No more doing things just to do them. Success in law school demanded that I understood why things were said and what they meant. It was a new experience for me \u2013 personal responsibility for my thoughts and actions. Little did I know, however, I was on a crash course with religion. As I continued with church and teaching catechism, things started to unravel. I started thinking about what I was saying. And a lot of it didn\u2019t make sense. In fact, a lot of it seemed quite absurd. How could a loving God condemn someone to hell? If God was all-powerful, why would hell even exist? How could there be one true church when much of religion was determined by geography? But what really got me was the selective adoration of God. If someone was cured of cancer, it was always through the grace of God, but where was God when someone died a tragic death? The religious hypothesis for life failed the consistency test. Too many things just didn\u2019t make sense. But who was I to question religion? Besides, questioning took a lot of work and left a lot of uncertainty - It was much easier to do what I was told, and hope for the best. So I plowed ahead with the prescribed formula \u2013 be nice, go to church, believe in Jesus and maybe dump a little money in the basket. But as the weeks and months went by that formula revealed itself as more and more contrived. It smelled crappy - of humans trying to control each other. I wanted to cut ties, but was scared to leave. I still needed something to help me with the uncertainty of life, and didn\u2019t know where to turn. So I reluctantly continued down the same path. As time proceeded, however, that path became more and more restrictive. I had become a caged bird and was looking for my keeper to open the door. Slowly I began to realize that I was my own keeper. I started exploring other religions, philosophies and spiritualties. I attended churches of different denominations. I spoke to anyone who had an interest in the topic. I took it all in, and it slowly digested. I began listening to my own voice. My keeper was ready to open the door. But one question continued to nag me. What if I was wrong? What if my inner-voice was leading me astray? What if a happy ending really meant holding firm to one certain belief? With double-toothpicks at stake, I needed to be sure. So 1997, I quit my job as an attorney, sold my house and moved to California to attend Divinity School at the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley. It was through that experience that my keeper finally had the courage to turn the key and open the door. I flew free to experience a new world. A world that was always right in front of me but hidden through religious fear. I no longer look at life through the eyes of religion where we are being watched and judged by a father figure. I no longer look at life as something that must be undertaken through a prescribed formula. I no longer look at life as though someone else has the answers for me to follow. I cut the crap from religion, and went rogue. The following blogs will provide some insight into the crap I cut and the change I experienced. I don\u2019t proclaim to have any answers \u2013 only my own experiences that I am willing to share with you. If what I share doesn\u2019t resonate, toss it aside and move on. Finally, if I\u2019m wrong about all of this and end up in double-toothpicks, I\u2019ll just blame it on law school. At least I\u2019ll be in good company with all the other attorneys. Thanks for reading. 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