{"id":436,"date":"2009-08-05T15:36:20","date_gmt":"2009-08-05T15:36:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/cityofbrass\/2009\/08\/apology-to-daniel-larison.html"},"modified":"2009-08-05T15:36:20","modified_gmt":"2009-08-05T15:36:20","slug":"apology-to-daniel-larison","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/cityofbrass\/2009\/08\/apology-to-daniel-larison.html","title":{"rendered":"apology to Daniel Larison"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Daniel <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amconmag.com\/larison\/2009\/08\/05\/the-americanist-heresy-revisited\/\">takes rightful issue<\/a> with an off-hand <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/cityofbrass\/2009\/08\/happy-birther-day-president-ob.html\">comment<\/a> of mine, that he was putting a &#8220;positive spin&#8221; on Birther nonsense:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>As Aziz and other long-time readers must know, I am not normally in the business of providing positive spin for Republicans. Given my criticisms of the dangers and problems of nationalism for conservatives and for America, and considering how unsympathetic I am to partisan tribalism, I would have thought it was clear that I was not saying anything very flattering about Birthers by saying that this obsession was a function of blind partisanship and nationalism. As I thought I made clear, this obsession is a more exaggerated, bizarre expression of equally baseless fears about Obama&#8217;s insufficient Americanness and his supposed lack of devotion to Americanism. These fears continue to prevail among most mainstream conservatives and Republicans, and they inform a large part of the conventional Republican criticism of Obama&#8217;s conduct of foreign policy. If this is my idea of positive spin, what would the negative spin look like?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Agreed, and the implication that I thought Daniel was giving Birthers some kind of pass is regrettable. I apologize. My point of disagreement with Daniel here is that he thinks nationalist tendencies are the primary cause, whereas I think it&#8217;s essentially racism (and a variant of the Obama = muslim meme). Daniel goes on to argue (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amconmag.com\/larison\/2009\/08\/05\/the-americanist-heresy-revisited\/\">read his post in full<\/a>!) that my assumption of racism relies on sterotypes about southerners and conservatives, and fails to take into account post-9-11 political nationalism.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t dispute the existence of the Americanism he has (as a true patriot should) been warning against for years, but I think that all of what he describes can be <em>necessary<\/em> for Birthers to exist, but still not <em>sufficient<\/em> for them to exist. Again, I invoke my own counterexample not of John McCain (which Daniel raised in his <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amconmag.com\/larison\/2009\/07\/31\/birthers-and-nationalism\/\">earlier post<\/a>) but John Kerry &#8211; had Kerry won in 2004, and had similar birth circumstances as either McCain or Obama, would the Birthers exist? How you answer that hypothetical will probably be a good predictor of whether you think racism is a primary factor in Birther-ism or not. I do not see how you can answer &#8220;No&#8221; to it and still fail to conclude that racism is their primary motivator, however &#8211; though if that is indeed what Daniel would argue, I am eager to see his reasoning.<\/p>\n<p>I cant agree with Daniel that my opinion that Birthers are racist is grounded in stereotype of southerners. Yes, Birthers are geographically concentrated in the South and in predominantly Republican strongholds; my argument that Birthers are racist just means that racists find a hospitable environment therein, but that isn&#8217;t a blanket condemnation of the people there as a whole. Its politically-opportunistic racism, to be sure &#8211; but Republicans are after all the party of Alan Keyes, Bobby Jindal and Michael Steele.<\/p>\n<p>However, (to echo Daniel&#8217;s own point about Americanism) it&#8217;s not Obama&#8217;s skin color so much as his blatant and proud foreign affiliation that generates the racist response. Obama is authentically Other in a way that Daniel has also <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amconmag.com\/larison\/2009\/08\/04\/what-about-jindal-iii\/\">acknowledged Jindal is not<\/a>. I wonder if Jindal were from Pakistan rather than India, and had photos of him wearing traditional &#8220;muslim&#8221; garb in circulation, whether he&#8217;d still be immune to Birther or &#8220;crypto-muslim&#8221; smear campaigns. Obama affirms and repeatedly references his Kenyan heritage and quotes the Qur&#8217;an to the muslim world; Jindal for want of a better phrase has expunged all traces of his ethnicity from his public persona. To put it bluntly, Obama rubs his Otherness in everyone&#8217;s face whereas Jindal tucks it away out of sight. In many ways, Daniel&#8217;s own <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amconmag.com\/larison\/2009\/08\/04\/what-about-jindal-iii\">observations about why Jindal is immune<\/a> only serve to support my primary claim of Birthers&#8217; racism &#8211; racism is sometimes colorblind, too.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Daniel takes rightful issue with an off-hand comment of mine, that he was putting a &#8220;positive spin&#8221; on Birther nonsense: As Aziz and other long-time readers must know, I am not normally in the business of providing positive spin for Republicans. 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