{"id":374,"date":"2009-06-06T10:38:00","date_gmt":"2009-06-06T10:38:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/cityofbrass\/2009\/06\/moving-beyond-pro-life-and-pro.html"},"modified":"2009-06-06T10:38:00","modified_gmt":"2009-06-06T10:38:00","slug":"moving-beyond-pro-life-and-pro","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/cityofbrass\/2009\/06\/moving-beyond-pro-life-and-pro.html","title":{"rendered":"moving beyond pro-life and pro-choice in the abortion debate"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Lets get my personal opinion out of the way: I am generally in suppoort of Roe vs Wade because I think it does a good job of providing a simple, algorithmic solution to the messy lack of moral and ethical concensus on abortion. Ultimately the &#8220;maximal&#8221; positions of the pro-life movement and the pro-choice movements are untenable (though there are far more of the former than the latter).<\/p>\n<p>As far as I am concerned, Roe vs Wade must be defended at all cost, not because I am devoutly pro-choice, but rather because it is actually a very reasonable compromise between the maximal positions. I think that there&#8217;s a need however to examine the abortion issue from behind the safety of Roe however so that we can establish what principles we truly uphold as a society and then seek to apply them to other areas of law. In a sense, thanks to Roe, the abortion debate might be a tool for clarifying the moral issues surrounding life and death. We must accept as an axiom that &#8211; unlike child molestation or homicide or rape &#8211; there is no concensus on abortion, and there never will be, because abortion is a unique case because pregnancy is a symbiosis between two individuals with equal rights.<\/p>\n<p>Once we accept the reality that Roe is here to stay, we can move forward and explore the abortion issue with fresh perspectives. One example of this is from one of my favorite conservative blogs, League of Ordinary Gentlemen (LOG), where guest author Sidereal attempts to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ordinary-gentlemen.com\/2009\/06\/ah-abortion\/\">dismantle the linear abortion debate axis<\/a> into a two-dimensional graph, and makes what I think are key insights into where American public opinion really lies (and thus illustrates exactly why there is a political stalemate, since the politics of abortion are waged at the maximal ends, and thus essentially irrelevant).<\/p>\n<p>I think however that the obsession with Roe has obscured the larger philosophical issues that abortion encompasses, however &#8211; what has been lacking these past 30 years has been a thorough examination of the actual principles by which we assert our pro-life or pro-choice convictions. The central issue is one of rights, in conflict between those of the mother and those of the baby. For the most part the politics f abortion have reduced this complex issue to a caricatured argument about &#8220;value&#8221; and &#8220;convenience&#8221;. Before the issue was so crazily political, though, there were people trying to investigate the philosophical aspects of the issue &#8211; for example, this <a href=\"http:\/\/philosophy.wisc.edu\/shapiro\/Phil101\/Thomson.pdf\">fascinating philosophy paper<\/a> (PDF) from 1971 by <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Judith_Jarvis_Thomson\">Judith Jarvis Thomson<\/a> that really approaches the entire debate from an original perspective, which attempts to justify abortion after explicitly conceding the point (in the hypothetical) that life begins at conception. This is not easy reading but it really is a profound and thorough analysis. One of the key points it argues is in defining just what, exactly, is meant by the concept, &#8220;right to life&#8221; &#8211; and argues persuasively that the right to life &#8220;consists not in the right not to be killed, but rather in the right not to be killed unjustly.&#8221; It also makes a distinction between the Good Samaritan and the Minimally Decent Samaritan. It&#8217;s essential reading and really broadens the abortion debate in a meaningful way &#8211; including raising questions about how the same arguments should apply to issues like <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/cityofbrass\/2009\/04\/debating-apostasy-and-capital.html\">the death penalty<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/cityofbrass\/2009\/02\/how-can-muslims-combat-extremi.html\">collateral damage<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lets get my personal opinion out of the way: I am generally in suppoort of Roe vs Wade because I think it does a good job of providing a simple, algorithmic solution to the messy lack of moral and ethical concensus on abortion. Ultimately the &#8220;maximal&#8221; positions of the pro-life movement and the pro-choice movements&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":165,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5,6],"tags":[298,271,26,34],"class_list":["post-374","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-purple-politics","category-read-this","tag-abortion","tag-human-rights","tag-politics","tag-women"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>moving beyond pro-life and pro-choice in the abortion debate - City of Brass<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"noindex, follow\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"moving beyond pro-life and pro-choice in the abortion debate - City of Brass\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Lets get my personal opinion out of the way: I am generally in suppoort of Roe vs Wade because I think it does a good job of providing a simple, algorithmic solution to the messy lack of moral and ethical concensus on abortion. 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City of Brass is his weblog, which was founded in 2002 under the name UNMEDIA. He is a co-founder of the annual Brass Crescent Awards. The name City of Brass refers to the Story of the City of Brass in the Thousand and One Nights, and the poem by Rudyard Kipling of the same name: Here was a people whom, after their works, thou shalt see wept over for their lost dominion; And in this palace is the last information respecting lords collected in the dust. -- Thousand and One Nights, Story of the City of Brass IN A land that the sand overlays, the ways to her gates are untrod, A multitude ended their days whose fates were made splendid by God, Till they grew drunk and were smitten with madness and went to their fall, And of these is a story written: but Allah Alone knoweth all! -- Rudyard Kipling, The City of Brass (1909)"}]}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/cityofbrass\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/374","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/cityofbrass\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/cityofbrass\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/cityofbrass\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/165"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/cityofbrass\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=374"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/cityofbrass\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/374\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/cityofbrass\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=374"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/cityofbrass\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=374"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/cityofbrass\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=374"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}