{"id":264,"date":"2011-03-30T10:41:31","date_gmt":"2011-03-30T14:41:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/catholicsmediaandculture\/?p=264"},"modified":"2011-03-30T17:25:01","modified_gmt":"2011-03-30T21:25:01","slug":"does-glee-promote-tolerance-readers-weigh-in","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/catholicsmediaandculture\/2011\/03\/does-glee-promote-tolerance-readers-weigh-in.html","title":{"rendered":"Does &#8220;Glee&#8221; promote tolerance? Readers weigh in."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>My recent assertion that the Fox TV show <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/catholicsmediaandculture\/2011\/03\/glee-is-not-about-tolerance.html\"><em>Glee<\/em> is not about tolerance<\/a> brought some reader response, some in basic agreement, some in respectful disagreement, some in somewhat less-respectful disagreement.<\/p>\n<p>Here a sampling, along with my responses:<\/p>\n<p>Jeff wrote:<\/p>\n<p><em>I totally dis-agree with your comments. Glee doesn\u2019t pull any punches  and neither did Nip Tuck! Real life is \u201cugly\u201d at times, or should I say,  can be perceived that way quite easily. The show takes us on a roller  coaster of emotions, constant ups and downs \u2013 just as life does! And I  find a lot of joy in the episodes, ex: Kurt\u2019s relationship with his Dad,  Rachel&#8217;s never-ending quest to being accepted, Finn\u2019s ability to lead,  Puck always meaning to do the right thing, but maybe in the wrong way,  etc, etc. Try watching an entire episode or two and you\u2019ll find yourself  smiling quite a bit!<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Thanks for your comment, Jeff. Some other readers, not all as polite as you, took exception to my criticizing the show while admitting to not having sat through an entire episode.\u00a0 I mentioned that fact because I felt it was only fair to.\u00a0 Still, I think I&#8217;ve seen enough portions of the two-year-old show to render a reasonable opinion about it.\u00a0 But, on your recommendation, Jeff, I will make a point of catching a few entire episodes this month. I doubt my opinion will change. But you never know. I&#8217;ll try to keep an open mind. It wouldn&#8217;t be the first time I was wrong about something.<\/p>\n<p>Dennis wrote:<\/p>\n<p><em>You totally missed the point of this exceptional series of programs  about tolerance. It honestly portrays what actually happens in schools  today and clearly points out the \u201cbad\u201d guys. It is not a censored  \u201cgoody-goody two shoes\u201d pack of lies about the real world. Shame on you  and your hypocritical values. Watch it for a while and learn to see its  message. No one is too old to learn.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I think maybe you missed my point. A show focused on portraying large swaths of the American population as<em> &#8220;bad&#8221;<\/em> guys isn&#8217;t about tolerance or understanding, it&#8217;s about labels of the type that foster anger and resentment. It justifies one group&#8217;s disdain for another while while raising the anger level of the so-called <em>&#8220;bad&#8221;<\/em> people. You don&#8217;t have to have a <em>&#8220;goody-good two shoes&#8221; <\/em>view of the world to recognize that as unhealthy.<\/p>\n<p>A better example of a show that promoted tolerance and understanding would be <em><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/NYPD_Blue\">NYPD Blue<\/a> <\/em>in which the conservative police detective <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Andy_Sipowicz\">Andy Sipowicz<\/a> (brilliantly portrayed by <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Dennis_Franz\">Dennis Franz<\/a>) is taken on a journey from antagonism to admiration and respect for his black, Latino and gay co-workers (who likewise learn to like and admire him).\u00a0 Andy certainly had his baggage but he wasn&#8217;t a cartoon. The audience was able to sympathize him while also caring about characters like John (<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Bill_Brochtrup\">Bill Brochtrup<\/a>), the openly gay administrative aide and <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lt._Thomas_Bale\">Lt. Thomas Bale<\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Currie_Graham\">Currie Graham<\/a>), the closeted squad leader.<\/p>\n<p>In one moving scene (which, unfortunately, I can&#8217;t find online), John talks with a depressed victim of anti-gay violence, assuring him that it does, in deed,\u00a0 get better. <em>NYPD Blue <\/em>dealt forthrightly with such evil while also compassionately recognizing that people can fail to understand each other without being evil. They can even learn to work together and like each other. Prejudice and narrow mindedness may be\u00a0 serious flaws in human nature but they don&#8217;t necessarily equal hate and, I think, it&#8217;s important to draw the distinction.<\/p>\n<p>(BTW, I first tuned into <em>NYPD Blue<\/em> expecting to find it trashy. Some conservatives were appalled by its occasional use of nudity but, when I actually watched, I was drawn into to its gritty but compassionate storytelling and its flawed but compellingly likable characters. Conversely, I was attracted to the positive-sounding concept of <em>Glee<\/em> (unpopular kids finding acceptance via a high school glee club) and was looking forward to seeing the show. But, whereas, <em>NYPD Blue<\/em> drew me in, <em>Glee<\/em> repelled me with what felt like an underlying tone of nastiness that ran through it and was quite apart from religion or politics.\u00a0 I&#8217;ve seen nothing since that changed my initial impression. I will, however, fulfill my promise to Jeff. I&#8217;ll watch some full episodes and let you know if I reassess.)<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/All_in_the_Family\">All in the Family<\/a> <\/em>was another classic show that understood the difference prejudice and evil. <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Archie_Bunker\">Archie Bunker<\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Carroll_O%27Connor\">Carrol O&#8217;Connor<\/a>) was a bigot and the deserving butt of many jokes &#8212; but he was always presented as a human being who was also deserving of understanding. And, as flawed as he was, he wasn&#8217;t evil &#8212; as demonstrated by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=dfe842R_9Jo\">this scene<\/a> in which he finds the courage to a stand up to a local chapter of the KKK.<\/p>\n<p>Currently, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Modern_Family\">Modern Family<\/a> <\/em>portrays gay characters with respect and dignity without, so far as I&#8217;ve seen, resorting to unseemly nasty swipes at religious or political conservatives.<\/p>\n<p>These shows,\u00a0 in my opinion, actually promote tolerance and understanding because they come from a place of compassion for the flawed human characters they depict.<\/p>\n<p>My problem with what I&#8217;ve seen of <em>Glee <\/em>(so far) is that\u00a0 it presents a simplistic &#8220;good&#8221; right-thinking people vs. &#8220;bad&#8221; wrong-thinking people view of the world that, rather than promoting understanding as it purports, sows (perhaps unintentionally) division. <em> <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/marilee.us\/desiderata.html\"><em>Desiderata<\/em><\/a>, one of my favorite poems, contains a line that reads: <strong><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: xx-small\"> <\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\"><em><strong><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: xx-small\">&#8220;As far as possible without  surrender be on good terms with all persons. <\/span><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\"><em><strong><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: xx-small\">Speak your truth quietly  and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, <\/span><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\"><em><strong><span style=\"font-family: Comic Sans MS;font-size: xx-small\">they too have their story.&#8221;<\/span><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\">As I see it, <em>Glee<\/em> takes aim at those it considers <em>&#8220;dull and ignorant&#8221;<\/em> without humanizing them. Often when we take the time to listen to those we find dull and ignorant we find that their not as dull and ignorant as we thought. What&#8217;s more, when people understand that you&#8217;re at least hearing what they have to say and respecting their humanity, they&#8217;re more likely to be open to what you have to say and to respect you. It&#8217;s human nature. People (gay or straight, liberal or conservative) do not respond positively to ridicule and condemnation.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\">flipperthedolphin wrote:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\"><em>I think it was last year, my Mum and I watched an episode of \u201cGlee\u201d, and  we found it so awful, in it\u2019s stigmatising, and degradation of each  other, that we switched it off. How can human beings carry on like this?  All they seemed to do was denegrate one another. Needless to say, not  very nice!! We used to have a series here on our Australian ABC, called  <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Librarians_%28TV_series%29\">\u201cThe Librarians\u201d<\/a>, which consisted of an Austraian national, a Muslim,  and others, but unlike \u201cGlee\u201d however, despite the cast having a dig at  each other, it was not derogatory. To the contrary, they had a deep  and  profound respect one another and their differences. If \u201cGlee\u201d was like  this show, well, who knows\u201d Maybe I\u2019ll be able to stomach an episode.<\/em><\/p>\n<div>Thanks, Flipper. You make my point.<\/div>\n<div>Rich wrote:<\/div>\n<div><em>Lets all get together, hold hands and sing \u201cKum-By-Ya\u201d!<\/em><\/div>\n<div>You joke &#8212; but I hardly find constantly sniping at each other to be a better use of our time. So, everyone, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=VJJnu3qaquE\">sing!<\/a><\/div>\n<div><em>Encourage one another and build each other up \u2013 <\/em>1 Thessalonians 5:11<\/div>\n<div>I&#8217;m taking off the rest of this week and next. See you Monday, April 11.<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>My recent assertion that the Fox TV show Glee is not about tolerance brought some reader response, some in basic agreement, some in respectful disagreement, some in somewhat less-respectful disagreement. Here a sampling, along with my responses: Jeff wrote: I totally dis-agree with your comments. 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