{"id":162,"date":"2008-05-02T16:59:44","date_gmt":"2008-05-02T16:59:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/castingstones\/2008\/05\/did-catholics-ignore-the-pope.html"},"modified":"2008-05-02T16:59:44","modified_gmt":"2008-05-02T16:59:44","slug":"did-catholics-ignore-the-pope","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/castingstones\/2008\/05\/did-catholics-ignore-the-pope.html","title":{"rendered":"Did Catholics Ignore the Pope: a Reply to Steven Waldman"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Steven Waldman asks his earlier <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/stevenwaldman\/2008\/04\/why-didnt-catholics-follow-the.html\">question<\/a> in a different way; this <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/stevenwaldman\/2008\/05\/the-pope-didnt-oppose-the-iraq.html?bt=polmashup\">time<\/a> focusing on the &#8220;moral&#8221; question of whether I, and others who supported the war, ignored the pope on this issue.<br \/>\nDid I find John Paul II persuasive in the run-up to the invasion?  Yes, in the sense that I checked and re-checked my reasoning for thinking it a &#8220;just war.&#8221;  But, I did not come to the same conclusion.<br \/>\nWaldman adds the following comment: &#8220;He [the pope] thought the administration&#8217;s approach to the war contradicted the essence of Christ&#8217;s teachings. I&#8217;m assuming Waldman is not implying that Church teaching is pacifist.  If so, the comment makes little sense to me. Why? Because the Church teaching on this matter is what I referenced <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/castingstones\/2008\/05\/the-church-and-the-war-a-repon.html?bt=polmashup\">before<\/a>, &#8220;just war&#8221; theory as stated in the Catechism.  Since going to war is a prudential matter, a decision to be made by a head of state, the &#8220;essence of Church teaching&#8221; is satisfying the four principles of a &#8220;just war.&#8221;<br \/>\nA prudential judgment can be right or wrong, but cannot contradict an essence.  To contradict an essence, the Church&#8217;s teaching on war would have to be equivalent to its teaching on abortion or euthanasia, which it is not.  Abortion is never right, war can be.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Steven Waldman asks his earlier question in a different way; this time focusing on the &#8220;moral&#8221; question of whether I, and others who supported the war, ignored the pope on this issue. Did I find John Paul II persuasive in the run-up to the invasion? 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