{"id":1903,"date":"2009-09-04T10:00:00","date_gmt":"2009-09-04T10:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/beyondblue\/2009\/09\/give-me-the-gun-when-suicidal.html"},"modified":"2009-09-04T10:00:00","modified_gmt":"2009-09-04T10:00:00","slug":"give-me-the-gun-when-suicidal","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/beyondblue\/2009\/09\/give-me-the-gun-when-suicidal.html","title":{"rendered":"Give Me the Gun: When Suicidal Ideations Take Over"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"gun smaller.jpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/71\/import\/imgs\/gun%20smaller.jpeg\" width=\"490\" height=\"123\" class=\"mt-image-center\" style=\"text-align: center;margin: 0 auto 20px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p>I have been thinking about this question ever since I read it on <a href=\"http:\/\/community.beliefnet.com\/beyond_blue\/go\/thread\/view\/47331\/18411098\/A_questionTRIGGER\">a discussion thread in Group Beyond Blue.<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/community.beliefnet.com\/beyond_blue\/go\/thread\/view\/47331\/18411098\/A_questionTRIGGER\">Group Beyond Blue member Meg writes<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>So, my husband has shown interest in getting a handgun permit. It&#8217;s the South, and lots of people have them. I don&#8217;t have an issue with the concept of it. He wants to take the class and is really responsible about it. He doesn&#8217;t hunt and isn&#8217;t a &#8220;war games&#8221; kind of guy or a gun fanatic.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Then I told him that a stipulation would be that when we had children, the way the gun was stored would need to be open to discussion. We would need to agree on a safe way to handle it based on the relative risks involved. He&#8217;s fine with that. I next suggested that he look up some gun stores or ranges to call about lessons.<\/p>\n<p>I think it was the phrase &#8220;look up a gun store&#8221; that triggered my memory of one of Therese&#8217;s posts, where she said that during her deepest depression she had actually pulled out the yellow pages to look up a gun store.<\/p>\n<p>Now, when deeply depressed I had some suicidal ideation. I wanted the pain to end, but (thanks to some therapy and some very good writing from some folks here) I was always able to make a distinction between wanting the pain to end and wanting to die. I never made actual plans to harm myself.<\/p>\n<p>But the gun thing got me thinking. What if I&#8217;m in that place again? So I told my husband that he also had to promise that if I ever got depressed again, he would lock the gun up or remove it from the house.<\/p>\n<p>He freaked out. I guess he had no idea how deeply depressed I&#8217;d been. I could tell he was hurt. After a few minutes I asked him what he was thinking. He said, &#8220;I was thinking that I don&#8217;t think I could ever forgive you if you did that.&#8221; I told him that was one of the reasons I never got that far &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t do that to him or to my family. That was what drove me to get better and seek help. But, I also told him that I felt it needed to be said.<\/p>\n<p>So, what are your thoughts on this? I don&#8217;t need pro\/anti gun rhetoric; I need some insight from people who have been in the same place as I. It&#8217;s just as easy to overdose on meds or go many other routes, so am I wrong to be worried about the gun? I&#8217;ve shot plently of times myself, so I&#8217;m not actually scared of the gun itself.<\/p>\n<p>Any thoughts?<\/p>\n<p>I will say this. When I was telling my husband what it was like inside my head while I was depressed, I felt like I was talking about another person entirely. It was both helpful to see how far I&#8217;d come but also scary to verbalize to someone besides my therapist how low I&#8217;d been.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>I totally understand where both she and her husband are coming from. I understand why a spouse could never forgive her mate for checking out. I understand why he would drop his jaw at all the death talk. And I also know that looking up a gun store in Bowie, Maryland seemed like a rational plan back when I was so desperate for the pain to go away three years ago. How do I explain this? When you experience excruciating pain for months and months on end, your body automatically makes a plan&#8211;and seldom gets permission from your mind&#8211;to go to another place.<\/p>\n<p>I remember the day in March of 2006, when Eric made me tell him all of my suicidal plans. So first I divulged that I had been keeping old prescriptions of all my drugs&#8211;compiling a nice stash of them in the garage to make sure I had enough to stop my pulse. Then I told him that I was hanging on to a friend&#8217;s keys because, since our garage had all of his woodworking equipment in it, I was planning on using my friend&#8217;s garage to run the car while she was at work. And finally, yes, I&#8217;ve been researching local gun shops. <\/p>\n<p>Writing that paragraph just now plants a sizable knot in my stomach. <i>Did I really say those things? Why on earth would I have been thinking that way? That&#8217;s absurd!<\/i> But when I consider how much pain I was in back then, those thoughts seemed indeed rational. In fact, I remember writing in my journal at that time: &#8220;Made it another day. Did not pursue any of my suicidal plans.&#8221; And I checked off the day with a star. Because staying alive was by far the biggest challenge of every day.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s what is so ludicrous and scary about suicidal ideations: your logic completely abandons the gray matter of your brain, so that you&#8217;re left to judge situations and make decisions with only the mushy stuff in your cerebral cortex that sounds like a stoned hippie staying, &#8220;Yeah, man, go for it. Why not?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I have recovering alcoholic friends that won&#8217;t let their husbands stock any liquor at home. For me that&#8217;s not a problem any more. Although I know that I&#8217;ll never be cured from my addition, I have had enough common sense for 20 years to not go near the stuff. So Eric can keep the rum he occasionally brings out after a bad day with the kids.<\/p>\n<p>But a gun? I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d ever want one in the house. Because, judging on how irrational I became last time I fell into the Black Hole, I need to do as much as possible to safeguard my climb out of there, and to resist all natural urges, no matter how irrational they sound today.<\/p>\n<p><em>To read more <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/beyondblue\">Beyond Blue, go to http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/beyondblue<\/a>, and to get to <a href=\"http:\/\/community.beliefnet.com\/beyond_blue\">Group Beyond Blue, a support group at Beliefnet Community, click here.<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.feedburner.com\/fb\/a\/emailverifySubmit?feedId=611738&amp;loc=en_US\">To subscribe to &#8220;Beyond Blue&#8221; click here.<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"rss.gif\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.beliefnet.com\/sites\/71\/import\/imgs\/rss.gif\" width=\"45\" height=\"44\" class=\"mt-image-left\" style=\"float: left;margin: 0 20px 20px 0\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have been thinking about this question ever since I read it on a discussion thread in Group Beyond Blue. 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