{"id":3862,"date":"2011-07-29T07:35:31","date_gmt":"2011-07-29T11:35:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/astrologicalmusings\/?p=3862"},"modified":"2011-07-29T07:35:31","modified_gmt":"2011-07-29T11:35:31","slug":"the-real-astrology-chart-for-the-usa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/astrologicalmusings\/2011\/07\/the-real-astrology-chart-for-the-usa.html","title":{"rendered":"The &#8220;real&#8221; astrology chart for the USA"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-8003\" src=\"https:\/\/astrodynamics.net\/blog\/2011\/07\/clock-tower-250x262.gif\" alt=\"Sibly astrology chart\" width=\"250\" height=\"262\" \/>I&#8217;ve been spending a lot of time this week researching the various charts for the USA which is one reason for my lack of posting. \u00a0I have used the Sibley chart with great results, but every time I post an article on the US chart I receive quite a few emails arguing with my choice of chart.<\/p>\n<p>There are three major charts used by astrologers and many more minor charts. \u00a0One is the Sibley chart which uses the date of July 4 1776 (signing of the Declaration of Independence) and a time of 5:10 pm, with Sagittarius rising. \u00a0There are also Gemini rising charts and a few adherents to a Scorpio ascendant that some say is based on the fact that the clocktower on the back of a $100 bill was set to 2:22 pm. \u00a0But if you look carefully at the image you&#8217;ll see that it could also be read as 4:10 pm and in fact <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/United_States_one_hundred-dollar_bill\" target=\"_blank\">Wikipedia says<\/a> that the Department of Bureau and Engraving says that the time is 4:10 pm (although I could find no corroborating evidence for this).<\/p>\n<p>Still, the relevance of the time on the clock tower is difficult to gauge in terms of establishing a proper horoscope for the United States. \u00a0Benton Bobrick&#8217;s masterwork <strong>The Fated Sky<\/strong> includes a scholarly discussion of the time when the signing of the Declaration of Independence was completed:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>According to the Philadelphia Historical Society, &#8216;the Declaration was graced with its first signature (Hancock&#8217;s) at approximately five o&#8217;clock in the afternoon after which the members all went off to dine.&#8217;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.johnhancock.com\/resources\/pdf\/JohnHancockGreatAmericanPatriot.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">This biography of John Hancock <\/a>corroborates this (see page 13), using an approximation of &#8220;late in the afternoon&#8221; as the time when the Declaration was approved and Hancock affixed his signature.<\/p>\n<p>Astrologers argue about many things: which system of dividing the house cusps, whether to use the tropical or sidereal zodiac, so it&#8217;s not surprising that such an important piece of information as the chart for the United States is also subject to argument.<\/p>\n<p>Tomorrow I will write about the decline of the American empire as evidenced by the Sibley chart, so this is an introduction to the inevitable discussion about which is the accurate discussion that is sure to follow.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve been spending a lot of time this week researching the various charts for the USA which is one reason for my lack of posting. \u00a0I have used the Sibley chart with great results, but every time I post an article on the US chart I receive quite a few emails arguing with my choice&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":328,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[90],"tags":[321,320,279,278,322],"class_list":["post-3862","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-mundane","tag-gemini-rising","tag-sagittarius-rising-chart","tag-scorpio-rising-chart","tag-sibley-chart","tag-usa-astrology-chart"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>The &quot;real&quot; 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