{"id":775,"date":"2011-02-25T17:30:49","date_gmt":"2011-02-25T17:30:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2011\/02\/pantheacon-2011-contrasting-tolerance-and-pluralism.html"},"modified":"2011-02-25T17:30:49","modified_gmt":"2011-02-25T17:30:49","slug":"pantheacon-2011-contrasting-tolerance-and-pluralism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/apagansblog\/2011\/02\/pantheacon-2011-contrasting-tolerance-and-pluralism.html","title":{"rendered":"Pantheacon 2011: Contrasting Tolerance and Pluralism"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">This isn&#8217;t quite<br \/>\nthe write-up I anticipated doing because I left my notes somewhere or<br \/>\nother.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>A drag, but maybe a<br \/>\nblessing in disguise.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Now I have<br \/>\nto search my memory about what impressed me most.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>And a great deal impressed me.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I&#8217;ll pick one issue here, and I hope my memory of two presentations is accurate.<\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\n<!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">The theme of the<br \/>\n2011 Pantheacon was &#8220;Walking The Talk.&#8221; Pagan spirituality has one huge<br \/>\ndifference from its monotheistic oppressors.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It also distinguished us from Buddhism, which so far as I<br \/>\nknow has no record of oppressing other traditions, but has a long record of<br \/>\nseeking converts from within them.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">We do not make<br \/>\nmonopolistic spiritual claims, ever.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>At Pantheacon Pagans of every sort, Wiccans of all sorts and Druids and<br \/>\nHeathens and African Diasporics and Reconstructionists of every sort meet in<br \/>\nharmony. To my knowledge no one has ever argued their path is the best for<br \/>\nanyone but themselves.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">This distinction<br \/>\nbetween Pagans and other traditions was striking when I visited two panels, one<br \/>\nwhere NeoPagans and Hindus discussed the advantages of uniting against<br \/>\nmonotheist aggression and the other by a woman Buddhist called, I believe, &#8220;The<br \/>\nFuture of Buddhism in the West.&#8221;<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>By many criteria Hindus are Pagans, but with differences from those traditions<br \/>\nnot rooted in the Indian subcontinent. <\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">In the<br \/>\nNeoPagan\/Hindu panel Hindus <a href=\"http:\/\/www.permanente.net\/homepage\/kaiser\/doctor\/mihirmeghani\/\">Mihir Meghani<\/a> and Easan Katir and NeoPagans Thorn<br \/>\nCoyle and Selena Fox explored the many important points of spiritual<br \/>\ncommonality, and what each community might gain by a closer association.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/span>While members of both groups<br \/>\nlikely had criticisms about aspects of the others&#8217; religion, not a word was<br \/>\nuttered.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Instead points of<br \/>\nagreement and mutual respect were emphasized.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">The Hindu<br \/>\npanelists advocated replacing the term religious &#8220;toleration&#8221; with religious<br \/>\n&#8220;pluralism.&#8221;<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I had come to the<br \/>\nsame conclusion myself, no longer speak as an advocate of toleration as a good<br \/>\nin itself, and was very happy to hear the same insight affirmed from a Hindu<br \/>\nperspective.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">The toleration ideal (if<br \/>\nthat word even fits) &nbsp;has Christian roots, but they are not<br \/>\nBiblical.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Unfortunately.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>After different kinds of Christians<br \/>\ntired of their mutual slaughter during the Thirty Years War, they began<br \/>\nexploring toleration as a political rather than a spiritual principle.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Since no one was strong enough to kill<br \/>\neveryone on the other side, Catholics, Calvinists, and Lutherans decided it was<br \/>\nbetter to live together peacefully.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Other kinds of Christians, such as Quakers, and Anabaptists were not<br \/>\ntolerated.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;They were weak. &nbsp;<\/span>For all too many<br \/>\nChristians, toleration is grudging, and when they think they have the power,<br \/>\nthey seek to deny it, as we see today.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Such toleration is grudging, mean-spirited, and spiritually<br \/>\narrogant: I am better, but I will tolerate you.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">Pluralism is<br \/>\nquite different.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>The divine speaks<br \/>\nto us in many ways and no single path can do it justice.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>We have our way, but others have<br \/>\ntheirs.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>We should honor the<br \/>\ndiversity of ways which, taken as a whole, do more justice to the human<br \/>\nrelationship to the Sacred than any single way.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>The sacredness of <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Diwali\">Diwali<\/a>&nbsp;is different from the sacredness of Yule.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Both are good ways of honoring the Sacred at around the same time of<br \/>\nyear. Neither can be reduced to the other. And the world is richer when both<br \/>\nare celebrated by those to whom their traditions speak most powerfully.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">The Hindu<br \/>\npanelists emphasized that endorsing religious pluralism should be a criterion<br \/>\nfor genuine spirituality.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I<br \/>\nagree.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>We should adamantly reject<br \/>\ntoleration as anything more than the best we can get from potentially violent<br \/>\npeople. Any religious path making monopolistic claims, or merely &#8220;tolerating&#8221;<br \/>\nothers is to that degree not a spiritual path, but an exercise in spiritual<br \/>\nbigotry, arrogance and ignorance.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>It shrinks the Sacred into the crabbed confines of its followers&#8217; minds<br \/>\nand hearts.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>And we know that when<br \/>\nreligious people become obsessed with the errors they see in others&#8217; religions,<br \/>\ntheir hearts grow very cold, their minds very closed, and their arrogance and<br \/>\npride stinks to the heavens.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">This is not to<br \/>\nsay that religions such as Christianity and Islam are spiritually lacking in value.<br \/>\nTo my mind that is clearly not true, and very wise spiritual teachings exist<br \/>\nand spiritual lives lived within their frameworks.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/span>But their spiritual value rests in their developing<br \/>\nspiritual wisdom within their own communities, and not in attacking others.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>If they must seek converts, setting a<br \/>\ngood example is the best way to do so.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">With this<br \/>\nobservation I turn to the Buddhism workshop.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sacredstream.org\/About-Us\/Staff-Isa-Gucciardi.html\">Isa Gucciardi<\/a> gave a very clear and delightfully good humored presentation on why Buddhism was a good<br \/>\nreligion for anyone.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It was not<br \/>\nreally on &#8220;The Future of Buddhism in the West,&#8221; as it had been billed.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;A<\/span>&nbsp;more accurate title would have<br \/>\nbeen &#8220;Why Buddhism is good for you.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">Gucciardi did<br \/>\nnot criticize Pagans of any stripe, but made it clear she believed anyone would be<br \/>\nbetter off if they were Buddhists.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>When I asked her a question about Buddhism and women, and referred to writings by&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Rita_M._Gross\">Rita Gross<\/a>,<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span><span>&nbsp;<\/span>a Buddhist feminist, who favorably described some words by<br \/>\nStarhawk, she admitted she knew nothing about these issues.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>She then went on to tell about some important<br \/>\ncases where Buddhism honored women and the feminine. <\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">What she said<br \/>\nwas true, but incomplete.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Missing was any discussion of the far longer and more dominant<br \/>\ndenigration of women by institutionalized Buddhism.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>She did not mention that senior nuns are usually (always?) required to bow to<br \/>\nbeginning monks, or that many Buddhist teachers argue one can attain liberation<br \/>\nonly in a male body.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>If a woman is<br \/>\na good Buddhist she will be reborn as a man.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">Interestingly,<br \/>\nRita Gross has argued that the West has had an enormous impact on Buddhism<br \/>\nbecause it changed the practical role of women in the Sangha (Buddhist<br \/>\ncommunity).<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;Over 50% of dharma teachers in the US are women in sharp contrast to Asia, Buddhist writer&nbsp;<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.cuke.com\/bibliography\/dc%20books.html\">David Chadwick<\/a><span> has told me. &nbsp;<\/span>So my question was<br \/>\nhardly antagonistic, but sought to address her talk&#8217;s title.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">In other words,<br \/>\nwe did not get a presentation on the future of Buddhism in the West, we<br \/>\nreceived a cherry picked and one-sided picture of that religion, to make it<br \/>\nmore attractive to Pagans to adopt.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">I thought this<br \/>\npresentation was inappropriate at a Pagan conference where many Pagans had made<br \/>\nproposals that were rejected. <span>&nbsp;<\/span>I<br \/>\nthink Pagans should get preferred billing at Pagan conferences, and if other<br \/>\nreligions want to be represented there, they should be on panels <i>with<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> Pagans.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>This is particularly true if the presentation is a sales pitch.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>(Gucciardi gave a second presentation<br \/>\non &#8220;Bringing the Wisdom of the Earth to the Future&#8221; which I was told was very<br \/>\ngood, and not a sales pitch. I wish I had heard it as she had made an interesting insight in her talk, describing the Earth as a Bodhisattva)<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">The contrast<br \/>\nbetween the Buddhist presentation and the Pagan-Hindu panel, as well as a later<br \/>\nHindu presentation &#8220;Are Hindus Pagans and are Pagans Hindus?&#8221; was striking. The<br \/>\none ignored Paganism and advocated Buddhism, the other was a joint discussion,<br \/>\nand the &nbsp;Hindu-only panel that followed also discussed similarities and other<br \/>\nissues between our two communities.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>They engaged Paganism whereas Gucciardi did not.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>She ignored it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">I think this<br \/>\ncontrast makes my point.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Pluralism<br \/>\ncelebrates different approaches to the sacred whereas many Buddhists cannot<br \/>\nacknowledge the spiritual value of other practices except, perhaps, on the road<br \/>\nto Buddhism.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Good Pagans might<br \/>\nhave the good fortune of being reborn as Buddhists, just as good Buddhist women<br \/>\nwill have the good fortune of being reborn as Buddhist men.<\/p>\n<p><span>My criticisms should not be taken as<br \/>\ncriticisms of Buddhism as a spiritual path.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It seems to me a very good path for many people, and the US<br \/>\nwould be a far better place today were there more Buddhists.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>But again, the value in Buddhism seems<br \/>\nto me more in setting a good example than in any belief it is superior to other<br \/>\ntraditions.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/onfaith.washingtonpost.com\/onfaith\/eboo_patel\/2010\/05\/the_dalai_lama_on_interfaith_c.html\">Many of the wisest<\/a> of Buddhists<br \/>\nseem to have realized this, or are coming very close to it.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This isn&#8217;t quite the write-up I anticipated doing because I left my notes somewhere or other.&nbsp; A drag, but maybe a blessing in disguise.&nbsp; Now I have to search my memory about what impressed me most.&nbsp; And a great deal impressed me.&nbsp; I&#8217;ll pick one issue here, and I hope my memory of two presentations&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":9,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[20,106,21,105,108],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-775","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-interfaith","category-pagan-culture","category-pagan-rituals-and-festivals","category-pagan-spirituality","category-spirituality"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Pantheacon 2011: Contrasting Tolerance and Pluralism - A Pagan&#039;s Blog<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/apagansblog\/2011\/02\/pantheacon-2011-contrasting-tolerance-and-pluralism.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Pantheacon 2011: Contrasting Tolerance and Pluralism - A Pagan&#039;s Blog\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"This isn&#8217;t quite the write-up I anticipated doing because I left my notes somewhere or other.&nbsp; 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