{"id":765,"date":"2011-02-04T12:18:52","date_gmt":"2011-02-04T12:18:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2011\/02\/mythos-logos-the-bible-and-abortion.html"},"modified":"2011-02-04T12:18:52","modified_gmt":"2011-02-04T12:18:52","slug":"mythos-logos-the-bible-and-abortion","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/apagansblog\/2011\/02\/mythos-logos-the-bible-and-abortion.html","title":{"rendered":"Mythos, logos, the Bible, and abortion"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\"><\/p>\n<div><!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\">In her book <i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Battle-God-Karen-Armstrong\/dp\/0345391691\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1296842713&amp;sr=1-1\">The Battle<br \/>\nfor God<\/a><\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"><span>&nbsp;<\/span><span>&nbsp;<\/span>Karen Armstrong distinguished between <\/span><i>mythos<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> and <\/span><i>logos <\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">in a way that sheds light on both Pagan spirituality and current<br \/>\nirrationality on the part of the religious right. The abortion issue is a good<br \/>\ncase in point, made particularly relevant today by current efforts to subjugate<br \/>\nwomen to arbitrary readings of their scripture and then writing their fantasies into law.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment-->\n<\/div>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\n<!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\"><i>Mythos<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> addresses truths about the deeper meaning contained<br \/>\nin things. &nbsp;Its secular close equivalent is poetry, which takes the reader<br \/>\nright up to what can not be said in words, and enables them to make that final<br \/>\nstep. &nbsp;<\/span><i><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2009\/09\/the-nature-of-myth---and-more-good-stuff-by-robert-bringhurst.html\">Mythos<\/a><\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2009\/09\/the-nature-of-myth---and-more-good-stuff-by-robert-bringhurst.html\"> does the same,<br \/>\nbut in terms of spiritual truths<\/a>. &nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span><i>Logos<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> by contrast is what<br \/>\nwe call rationality today: instrumental logic of the form &#8220;if&#8230;then&#8221;<br \/>\nand not addressing internal value. &nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\">Pagan religions have<br \/>\nhistorically been expressed<a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2009\/03\/thoughts-on-mythos-and-logos.html\"> primarily through <\/a><i><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2009\/03\/thoughts-on-mythos-and-logos.html\">mythos<\/a><\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">. &nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\">The Roman Pagan Sallustius &nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/hermetic.com\/texts\/on_the_gods-1.html\">observed<\/a> that &#8220;a myth has never happened, yet it happens every day.&#8221;<span>&nbsp; <\/span>From Sallustius&#8217;s perspective, properly<br \/>\nunderstood, myth reveals the deepest of truths about meaning that are capable<br \/>\nof being revealed, but it does not record a supposed historical event.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>As he put it,<span>&nbsp; <\/span>&#8220;one may call [even] the world a myth, in which bodies and<br \/>\nthings are visible, but souls and minds hidden; the outer shell veils the inner<br \/>\nrealities.&#8221; From a mythic perspective <i>logos<\/i><\/span><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\"> explores the outer shells, <i>mythos<\/i><\/span><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\"> plumbs the inner realities.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\">Biblical religions<br \/>\noriginally were a combination of mythos and logos oriented texts with no clear way of determining which was which. <span style=\"color:black\">In his <i>Confessions<\/i><\/span><span style=\"color:black\">,<br \/>\nAugustine describes his encounter with the early Church father Ambrose,<br \/>\nwriting &#8220;I was delighted to hear Ambrose in his sermons to the people saying,<br \/>\nas if he were most carefully enunciating a principle of exegesis: &#8216;The letter<br \/>\nkills, the spirit gives life.&#8217; Those texts which, taken literally, seemed to<br \/>\ncontain perverse teaching he would expound spiritually, removing the mystical<br \/>\nveil.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\"><span style=\"color:black\">One<br \/>\nproblem with this tradition was the<\/span> many arguments breaking out as to<br \/>\nwhich Biblical parts were taken as literally true and which parts were mythic.<br \/>\n&nbsp;Over time myth usually lost out to literalism.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Beginning with the Reformation mythos was gradually eliminated from a<br \/>\ngreat deal of Christian theology because both Catholics and Protestants found<br \/>\nthat their side gained when they could argue the text&#8217;s literal meaning supported<br \/>\ntheir side. &nbsp;Protestants took this process farthest. &nbsp;This trend was<br \/>\nstrengthened because this way of reading came most easily to lay readers<br \/>\nunconnected with long traditions of scholarship. In <i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Religion-Enlightenment-James-Byrne\/dp\/0664257607\/ref=sr_1_20?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1296844991&amp;sr=1-20\">Religion and the Enlightenment<\/a><\/i> James Bryne observed both Protestants and Catholics were &#8220;<span class=\"Apple-style-span\">Stuck with<br \/>\nBiblical literalism and doctrinal integralism in which the truth of<br \/>\nChristianity as a whole stood or fell with each of its parts.&#8221; Because of this<br \/>\n&#8220;the Christian churches were for the most part incapable of responding<br \/>\ncreatively to scientific advances which conflicted with their own orthodoxy.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\"><\/span>This means that<br \/>\nconservative &#8220;Biblical Christians&#8221; are reading their Bibles in very modern<br \/>\nways, adopting a scientific-style &#8216;objective&#8217; interpretation, and then when<br \/>\nscience does not support their position, shifting over not to mythos, but to a<br \/>\nsimple will-to-believe which is utterly irrational because it is closed to any<br \/>\nattempt to communicate with and learn from other points of view.<span>&nbsp;They feel they have no choice. &nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\">Consider their argument<br \/>\nthat the fetus is a human life.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Theirs is an entirely physical literal argument: the fetus is<br \/>\ngenetically human, and if left to develop will be born as a human being.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Therefore all that counts is encased<br \/>\nwithin a purely physical definition of human.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Biblical passages that suggest a person in some way was known<br \/>\nto God before their birth are interpreted in the same way, that the person<br \/>\nexisted in the womb, period.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Ironically the same passages often suggest the person was a spirit<br \/>\nunconnected to the fetus, but those passages, being mythic, are ignored. (For<br \/>\nexample, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Psalm+139%3A13-16&amp;version=NIV\">Psalm 139:13-16<\/a>)&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\">That something disturbing emerges from this style of thinking &nbsp;is demonstrated by their reaction to equally literal readings that do not support their views. &nbsp;The&nbsp;longest Biblical passage I have found discussing the loss of a fetus<br \/>\nexplicitly indicates it is not a human life in the inner moral sense that other human<br \/>\nbeings are.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>The passage is Exodus<br \/>\n21:22-25. &nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left:.5in;line-height:150%\"><span>&nbsp;<\/span>And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with<br \/>\nchild so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall<br \/>\nsurely be fined as the woman&#8217;s husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as<br \/>\nthe judges decide.&nbsp; But if there is any further injury, then you shall<br \/>\nappoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for<br \/>\nhand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\">At the time I first drew<br \/>\nattention to this passage several years ago, my argument was backed up with<br \/>\ncomments by religious Jews, who reported the Torah <i>always<\/i> said murder should be<br \/>\npunished by death and so its argument that the death of a fetus should be<br \/>\npunished by a fine was definitive for Jews that abortion was <i>not<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> murder. &nbsp;In addition, they said the Torah commands<br \/>\nabortion when necessary&nbsp;to save the life of the mother.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\">In other words, in the<br \/>\nstrongest Biblical passage dealing with causing the death of a fetus, the<br \/>\nliteral reading indicates abortion is<i> not<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"><br \/>\nmurder. This would seem to be decisive to people who read texts literally. &nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\">Fascinatingly to me, these<br \/>\narguments had absolutely no impact on conservative and right wing Christian<br \/>\ncommentators, nor are they likely to now that I bring them up again. But I pass<br \/>\nthis passage along anyway because it illustrates a very disturbing point.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\">Spiritual literalism<br \/>\ndegenerates into irrationality.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\">This is in the very nature of the project. &nbsp;When certain principles are held as absolutely true, they will of their very nature be interpreted as absolutely true in different ways. &nbsp;All readings must be interpretations that are better or worse, with the possibility of error always present. &nbsp;So when a person believes they have the &#8216;literal&#8217; meaning as God&#8217;s word, they exempt themselves from the very human capacity for error. &nbsp;As a consequence they must reject evidence they error by ignoring &#8216;literal&#8217; passages that contradict their &#8216;literal&#8217; interpretation.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\">By reading sacred texts in a purely logocentric way they ultimately trap themselves and cut themselves off from all spiritual<br \/>\ninsight because as Sallustius and Augustine and Ambrose all recognized, they cannot be read that way wisely.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>When the &#8216;literalists&#8217; interpretations are contradicted by historical evidence or scientific<br \/>\ndiscoveries, because they have rejected myth they have <i>no way <\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">to incorporate new knowledge into their spiritual<br \/>\nunderstanding, and so new knowledge must be rejected.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>The earth <\/span><i>must<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> be 6000 years old or<br \/>\nthere is no truth in their Bible.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Jesus <\/span><i>had<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> to be around dinosaurs or there is no truth in the Bible.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>And so on, absurdity after absurdity.<span>&nbsp;<\/span><i> Mythos<\/i> is unavailable to them and <\/span><i>logos <\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">contradicts them so<br \/>\nall that is left is the irrational commitment, a will-to-believe regardless of<br \/>\nthe evidence.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\"><span style=\"font-style:normal\">When such people do change their views &#8211; and this happens &#8211; it is because their<\/span><i> hearts <\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">rebel at the implications of their doctrine. &nbsp;This is to their credit. &nbsp;But for many, when doctrine wars with their heart, doctrine wins. &nbsp;I do not know how to get to such hearts, though if they engage in interfaith work, that can happen. &nbsp;But most close themselves off from this. The result is a religion of irrationality. &nbsp;As we see about ourselves, it easily spills into irrationality elsewhere.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:22.5pt;line-height:150%\">Because most Americans are<br \/>\nmore reasonable than this, it is in our interest as well as theirs for us to<br \/>\nchallenge the religious right at every juncture, throw their scriptures in<br \/>\ntheir faces, and make as clear as possible that the will-to-believe is the<br \/>\nultimate spiritual pride: that because I believe it, I speak for God. There is<br \/>\nno greater pride.<\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In her book The Battle for God&nbsp;&nbsp;Karen Armstrong distinguished between mythos and logos in a way that sheds light on both Pagan spirituality and current irrationality on the part of the religious right. 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