{"id":756,"date":"2011-01-21T17:11:39","date_gmt":"2011-01-21T17:11:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2011\/01\/myth-as-a-way-of-knowing.html"},"modified":"2011-01-21T17:11:39","modified_gmt":"2011-01-21T17:11:39","slug":"myth-as-a-way-of-knowing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/apagansblog\/2011\/01\/myth-as-a-way-of-knowing.html","title":{"rendered":"Myth as a way of knowing"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">I have been<br \/>\nstruggling with better understanding what Karen Armstrong calls <i>mythos<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> in her book <\/span><i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Battle-God-Karen-Armstrong\/dp\/0345391691\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1295643442&amp;sr=1-1\">The Battle for God<\/a><\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">,&nbsp;<\/span>on religious fundamentalism worldwide.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>I think it is essential towards developing a deeper appreciation of what<br \/>\nPagan spirituality brings to the spiritual table, among many other things.<br \/>\nPagan spirituality is filled with myths, and is I think an essential part of<br \/>\nour spirituality, one in many ways barely rediscovered.<\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\n<!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">Armstrong<br \/>\ncontrasts <i>mythos <\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">to <\/span><i>logos<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">, arguing the &#8220;fundamentalisms&#8221; are quite modern in<br \/>\nrejecting myth in favor of literalistic understandings of scriptures, as modern<br \/>\nas science.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Because they argue on<br \/>\nthe same turf, they are incompatible, and because the fundamentalisms have<br \/>\nchosen to argue on science&#8217;s turf, they get the worse of the encounter, and<br \/>\nhence fall back on irrationality and, when they have the power, violence.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I think she is profoundly right on<br \/>\nthis. Fundamentalism is the religious version of secular nihilism.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">That said, how do<br \/>\nwe regain an appreciation of <i>mythos<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> as a<br \/>\nmeans of knowing?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">Myth is about the<br \/>\ninterior meaning of things, particularly their meaning within the largest<br \/>\ncontext of meaning.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Read from the<br \/>\noutside myths are fanciful stories reflecting the times and cultures where they<br \/>\narose.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>But this misses their essence,<br \/>\nlike analyzing a book by reflecting on its cover design.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">Geologist and<br \/>\nevolutionary biologist Geerat Vermeij in <i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Evolutionary-World-Adaptation-Everything-Civilization\/dp\/031259108X\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1295643373&amp;sr=1-1\">The Evolutionary World<\/a><\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> starts us off. <span>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span>Blind since the age of four, Vermeij<br \/>\nused a different set of senses to make important contributions to his field,<br \/>\nalong the way writing over 200 papers and five books.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;I learned a lot from his fine book. &nbsp;<\/span>Describing his experiences on two islands, one in Panama and<br \/>\nthe other in Puget Sound, he writes<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left:.5in;line-height:150%\">Reading about a<br \/>\nplace is by necessity a sequential act, filtered through someone else&#8217;s<br \/>\nsensibilities.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>On one page we<br \/>\nmight read about trees; on another there is a vivid description of the termites<br \/>\nor the frogs or the birds.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Being<br \/>\nin the forest one experiences everything at once, and one notices things that<br \/>\nothers overlooked or considered too trivial to mention.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/span>Shapes, sounds, smells, and<br \/>\nweather come together to offer the prepared mind an emergent conception of the<br \/>\nwhole.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>The forest is like a city .<br \/>\n. . whose living parts . . . interact with one another and with their inanimate<br \/>\nsurroundings to create an integrated structure with properties none of the<br \/>\nconstituents possesses. . . . As I observe the whole . . . comparisons run<br \/>\nthrough my mind, not gradually or serially, but as multidimensional, disordered,<br \/>\nyet memorable thoughts.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>My task as<br \/>\na scientific natural historian is to make sense of all this sensory and mental<br \/>\nferment. (167)<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">Vermeij is<br \/>\ndescribing wonderfully well the difference between direct encounter and the<br \/>\nlogocentric approach to communicating facts and insights about that encounter.<br \/>\nBut Vermeij&#8217;s description deals with a certain kind of surface.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>That is, what is communicated<br \/>\nscientifically deals with what can be impersonally observed, measured,<br \/>\npredicted, or experimented on.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It<br \/>\ndeals with objects and their mutual relations as objects.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>To do this he has to separate out from<br \/>\nthe initial experience he described so well what is scientifically interesting.<br \/>\nThe emotional impact of the whole is not communicated.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">Modern poetry<br \/>\nfocuses on meaning as perceived by the poet, the world created by the poet&#8217;s<br \/>\nsubjectivity. It uses parts of the experience, say of being in a forest that<br \/>\nVermeij describes, in order to carry us just-beyond-what-words-can-say that the<br \/>\npoet is taking us to.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>A poem is<br \/>\nmore than its literal meaning, given from the poet&#8217;s point of view, or at most<br \/>\na human point of view as translated through the poet. Poems are personal. Myths<br \/>\nare not.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">The bounds between<br \/>\npoetry and myth are porous, and a poet like <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Robinson_Jeffers\">Robinson Jeffers<\/a> &nbsp;or <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jlstanley.com\/\">J. L. Stanley<\/a>,&nbsp;can straddle that line. But in our world today these efforts are considered<br \/>\npoetry and only poetry.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">Myth seeks to<br \/>\ndescribe the meaning from the standpoint of the world in which the poet\/myth<br \/>\nteller lives. As such it seeks to connect us with something that <i>cannot<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> be communicated in a narrative, and yet <\/span><i>must<br \/>\n<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">use narrative to do so. Like ritual, myth<br \/>\nseeks to cross the border between this world and others.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It seeks to connect us with the meaning<br \/>\nof the world from the world&#8217;s point of view, which means myth assumes the world<br \/>\nhas a point of view.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>This world is<br \/>\nanimate, it has interiority. And as such we enter into better or worse relationships<br \/>\nwith it.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Myth seeks to help us<br \/>\nensure those relationships are good ones, ones appropriate for us as human<br \/>\nbeings in a more-than-human world.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><b>Myth Today<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">Most of us have<br \/>\nhad at least a sense of being immersed in patterns of meaning of which we can<br \/>\nonly grasp a part.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>In that sense<br \/>\nthe world myth seeks to help us encounter is not so very far away.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>But at the same time we have forgotten<br \/>\nhow to take our encounters seriously as a society, and so usually stick them<br \/>\naway in very private recesses of our mind as special, or dismiss them as &#8220;mere<br \/>\nsubjectivity.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">I have been<br \/>\nreading and relishing<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Pieces-White-Shell-Tempest-Williams\/dp\/0826309690\/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1295645594&amp;sr=1-2\"> <\/a><i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Pieces-White-Shell-Tempest-Williams\/dp\/0826309690\/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1295645594&amp;sr=1-2\">Pieces of White Shell: A Journey to Navajoland<\/a><\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">, by Terry Tempest Williams. &nbsp;Not one of her newer works, I had discovered it while browsing a bookstore in<br \/>\nMoab this past November.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>In it she<br \/>\ndescribed an event at her grandmother&#8217;s Christmas celebration in Utah.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>The family tree is ornamented with<br \/>\ndecorations that tell the story of her family&#8217;s life, new ones being added<br \/>\nevery year honoring grandchildren and major events. As the years passed the<br \/>\ntree and its ornaments became a history of the family.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">In 1982 as her<br \/>\ngrandmother began reciting the story of the tree beginning with the observation<br \/>\n&#8220;You see, this tree is alive&#8230;.&#8221;<span>&nbsp; <\/span>As<br \/>\nshe continued Williams heard the sound of wings.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>She mentioned it, but no one else heard.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Her grandmother picked up her<br \/>\nnarrative: &#8220;So you see why we think this tree is alive &#8211; (7)<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">Williams writes<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">Just then a small<br \/>\nbird flew down the chimney, through the flames of the fire, and onto a branch<br \/>\nof the tree.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It was a weaver<br \/>\nfinch.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>No one could speak.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>A living ornament.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>He stood on the bough as though it were<br \/>\nhis favorite perch in the forest.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>He then circled the tree three times, flew over to a corner of the<br \/>\nliving room, hit the copper chimes, and landed back underneath the tree with<br \/>\nall the animals.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">Williams coaxed<br \/>\nthe bird into her hands.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>He was<br \/>\nunharmed by the fire.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>&#8220;The next<br \/>\nthing I remember is crouching barefoot in the snow with the finch underneath a<br \/>\nyew bush.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I waited for some time<br \/>\nsoftly speaking to the little bird.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>And then he flew.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>The night<br \/>\nwas crystalline.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>As I walked back<br \/>\ninto the warm house, my grandmother out her arms around me as my grandfather<br \/>\nquietly said, &#8220;The story&#8217;s been written.&#8221; (7-8)<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">Towards the end of<br \/>\nher book Williams returned again to this account.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">The land holds<br \/>\nstories. We can learn the stories natural history has to teach and marvel as a<br \/>\nchild over its simple design.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>We<br \/>\ncan begin walking, trusting our own experience and thinking about all the<br \/>\nimagination can bring.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It is here<br \/>\nthat a small bird can land on a Christmas tree with a fire burning.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It disappears and we are left holding a<br \/>\nfeather.&#8221; (136-7)<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">The skeptic will<br \/>\nsimply say a bird got confused, flew down a chimney, landed in a Christmas<br \/>\ntree, bumped into a chime, was stunned, taken out of doors, and flew away.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>End of story.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Williams is wiser.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">This event fit<i><br \/>\nperfectly <\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">into a context of meanings the<br \/>\nfamily inside was experiencing together, and it added to those meanings in ways<br \/>\nhard to put into words, but evoked by the story.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It demonstrated and strengthened for those present a<br \/>\nrelationship between the human world and the more-than-human world.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Williams writes &#8220;Oral tradition reminds<br \/>\none of community and community in the Native American sense encompasses all<br \/>\nlife-forms: people, land, creatures.&#8221; (135) So does community in any mythic<br \/>\nsense, where we are immersed in webs of relationships and meaning.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Williams then quotes another writer I<br \/>\nadmire, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.barrylopez.com\/\">Barry Lopez<\/a>, <span>&nbsp;<\/span><span>&nbsp;<\/span>&#8220;The correspondence between the interior landscape and<br \/>\nexterior landscape is story.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%\">With this we enter<br \/>\nthe realm of myth, a personal myth, a myth for a family such as Williams&#8217;, or<br \/>\nfor a tribe or even for a civilization.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>It is where we find meaning in the mundane as well as an opening to the<br \/>\nSacred. It is the cure for nihilism, both religious and secular.<\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have been struggling with better understanding what Karen Armstrong calls mythos in her book The Battle for God,&nbsp;on religious fundamentalism worldwide.&nbsp; I think it is essential towards developing a deeper appreciation of what Pagan spirituality brings to the spiritual table, among many other things. 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