{"id":661,"date":"2010-08-20T12:26:24","date_gmt":"2010-08-20T12:26:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2010\/08\/pagans-christians-and-muslims-together-oh-my.html"},"modified":"2010-08-20T12:26:24","modified_gmt":"2010-08-20T12:26:24","slug":"pagans-christians-and-muslims-together-oh-my","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/apagansblog\/2010\/08\/pagans-christians-and-muslims-together-oh-my.html","title":{"rendered":"Pagans, Christians, and Muslims Together &#8211; Oh My!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">The current<br \/>\nuproar over mosques and American Muslims is reminding me of my first serious<br \/>\nencounter with a religion towards which I had considerable hostility:<br \/>\nChristianity. And how I finally overcame it while remaining 100% Pagan.<\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\n<!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">One of the most<br \/>\nunexpected developments that arose out of my becoming a Pagan was confronting<br \/>\nmy antagonism to Christianity, and over coming it.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>We Pagans do not proselytize nor do we believe our path is<br \/>\nthe best for everyone.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>If you like<br \/>\nwhat we do &#8211; welcome.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>If you are<br \/>\nattracted to something else &#8211; good luck and blessings along the way.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It is no secret that on balance<br \/>\nChristianity has a very different set of beliefs.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">For years I had<br \/>\npaid a deep emotional price in finally abandoning my attempts to be a<br \/>\nChristian.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>From a young age I had<br \/>\nlearned there is only one way, the alternative is Hell, and there are many evil<br \/>\nentities trying to lure me there.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>I was too young to wonder what a ridiculous concept of God it took to<br \/>\nexplain such a universe.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I worried<br \/>\nfor years that maybe I was fatally mistaken.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">Finally getting<br \/>\nmostly free from such a web of beliefs left me with considerable hostility to<br \/>\nChristianity.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">Now as a<br \/>\nPagan<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I had become involved with a<br \/>\nreligion where the Sacred is immanent, can be personally experienced, and<br \/>\nmanifests in many ways.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Indeed, if<br \/>\nSpirit is immanent, in principle any starting point can take us to a closer and<br \/>\nmore aware relationship with it.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Even Christianity.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I had to<br \/>\nconfront and eventually overcome my generalized hostility to that path from<br \/>\nwhich I had escaped.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">This issue is<br \/>\ncrucial to how I relate to other monotheistic paths with long records of<br \/>\ncommitting atrocities against Pagan peoples, paths like Islam.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Two beliefs are crucial.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">Fundamentally I<br \/>\nbelieve most people simply accept whatever socially dominant spiritual path<br \/>\nthere is in their community &#8211; and pursue their own personal relationship to the<br \/>\nSacred within it.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>That means for<br \/>\nmost people the doctrines that so captivate theologians and the like are<br \/>\nsecondary to spiritual activities within their families and communities.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It is at such &#8216;retail&#8217; levels that<br \/>\nspiritual truth and insight comes to most people.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>If it helps them become kinder and more compassionate and<br \/>\nloving, it&#8217;s good for them.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>If it<br \/>\ndoes not, it isn&#8217;t.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Christianity<br \/>\nhad not been good for me: it filled me with fear and strengthened my most<br \/>\njudgmental side.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>But that was<br \/>\ndemonstrably not the case with every Christian.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">For<br \/>\nnon-adherents the problem with Christianity or Islam is that as matters of<br \/>\ndoctrine, literal interpretation of their scriptures encourages some to attack<br \/>\nother peoples&#8217; spiritual paths.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Here is where the rank and file can be manipulated by power-crazed<br \/>\nleaders.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>But left to themselves,<br \/>\nthey are non-aggressive, and some gain genuine spiritual insight and personal<br \/>\nhealing along their way.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Some<br \/>\nprofoundly so.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">To this basic<br \/>\nbelief I add another, based on plenty of evidence: in almost every case the<br \/>\npersonal trumps the abstract, and so personal relationships trump abstract<br \/>\nteachings.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>This has good and bad<br \/>\nresults depending on context, but regarding religious peace and good will it<br \/>\nopens the door to good things.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>When we meet other people of other paths and become friends, perhaps<br \/>\ngood friends, we are to that degree immunized from the ravings of the<br \/>\n&#8216;spiritual&#8217; leaders who would sow hatred and discord in the name of their God<br \/>\nfor the benefits of<span>&nbsp; <\/span>power and<br \/>\nfeelings of self-righteousness.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Of<br \/>\ncourse the person can be compartmentalized as the good Pagan, Christian,<br \/>\nMuslim, or Jew &#8211; but even in this case it creates a pressure against simply<br \/>\ndemonizing others.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">The more open a<br \/>\nperson&#8217;s heart becomes the more kindness towards the concrete trumps<br \/>\ndenunciations based on abstractions.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">Those two<br \/>\nbeliefs of mine lead to a simple conclusion: since most people in any religion<br \/>\nare not involved for reasons of dogma, the best way towards religious peace is<br \/>\ninteractions at personal levels on a basis of equality.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>This is not a guarantee of course.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Not every person&#8217;s heart is open. But I<br \/>\nthink most people&#8217;s hearts are open enough.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">Here is where<br \/>\ninterfaith is so very important.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Here is where getting Muslims involved in interfaith with people like<br \/>\nourselves is so important.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>The<br \/>\npoint is not for them to cease being Muslims any more than for Christians to<br \/>\ncease being Christians, but for them, each in their own ways, to see how the<br \/>\nspiritual insights within their traditions can live peacefully with other<br \/>\ntraditions on the basis of good will.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">It&#8217;s a bit like changes<br \/>\nthat have taken place in families.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>In many old traditional societies most everything is seen through the<br \/>\nlens of family.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Non-family members<br \/>\nare distrusted. Family feuds can go on for generations.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>As we entered into modern societies<br \/>\nthis kind of amoral family loyalty declined.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>But that does not mean that we love family members less or do<br \/>\nnot feel strong obligations even when we do not have a lot in common compared<br \/>\nto our friends &#8211; but we love them and are obligated in a different context, <i>one<br \/>\nthat does not regard other families as inferior<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>They are simply not our<br \/>\nfamilies.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">Of course we now<br \/>\ncontend with amoral patriotism, which reproduces at a more inclusive level the<br \/>\ndownside of the old traditional amoral relationship between families.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Opportunities for growth in wisdom and<br \/>\nheart are hardly coming to an end.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>But the change in how families relate is a sign these deep changes for<br \/>\nthe better can happen.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">I think<br \/>\nsomething like this can happen with religion.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>So far universally I have heard two things from people<br \/>\ninvolved in interfaith: first that involvement increases their regard for other<br \/>\nfaiths.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>They meet good people who<br \/>\nattribute at least some of their goodness to their path.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Second, that interfaith work deepens<br \/>\ntheir understanding of their own path as a good path towards better<br \/>\nrelationships with the Sacred. Rather than a tendency to search for a lowest<br \/>\ncommon denominator, there is growing appreciation for a kind of spiritual<br \/>\necosystem, with each path making its unique contribution.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">From what I have<br \/>\nread contemporary Islam is undergoing enormous religious turmoil right<br \/>\nnow.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Its teachings are as complex<br \/>\nand multidimensional as any in the Bible, offering passages that appear<br \/>\nbeautiful, passages that appear horrible, and mutually exclusive ways for<br \/>\nmaking sense of them all.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:31.5pt;line-height:150%\">In my opinion the<br \/>\nbest thing we of other faiths can do is to hold out a hand in fellowship and<br \/>\nsupport for them while they find their own way to a resolution of these<br \/>\ndilemmas.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>We should do so while standing<br \/>\nfirm that if any religious tradition is to live with us it must do so on the<br \/>\nbasis of mutual respect.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>That way<br \/>\nthe openness of heart and understanding that comes from personal engagement<br \/>\nwith others can add its weight towards a happy and humane outcome to the<br \/>\nstruggle so many Muslims are engaged with today.<\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The current uproar over mosques and American Muslims is reminding me of my first serious encounter with a religion towards which I had considerable hostility: Christianity. 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